EXPRESS 40 EAST (mpeg 4)

[delboyt46]

Hi,

Has anybody experience of picking up the MPEG4 russian channels at 40 degrees east.Are they available in the UK? with a small dish under 1m? And which receiver can pick them up? Are they FTA MPEG 4?

Any help appreciated.

Delboyt

[Rob]

You need a receiver which has mpeg4 for high definition TV, and at the moment they are still FTA.
As for dish size you MIGHT need a slightly larger dish than 80cm, may be when you get these channels you will let us know.

[delboyt46]

Moved the dish to 40 degrees east.Uzbekistan TV comes in with 50% signal quality.However nothing else from the satellite.Tried with Pace DS810 to pick up MPEG 4 signals but nothing.Anybody else tried successfully with these transponders and MPEG 4 receiver?

[Analoguesat]

Ive been watching Uzbekistan this afternoon for the first time - Im getting 80% signals on one of my scabby old salvage 80cm dishes. Cant get any of the other low bit rate channels on the European beam though!

[Rob]

Has anyone had any success with picking up these Russian channels on 40 east.

Was thinking of getting a new (MPEG4) receiver for these channels but won't bother if no good.

[delboyt46]

The reverse transponder works out.The data seems to be there but nothing on the Vertical transponder.However cannot find definite details of transponder for tuning.

The data on Horizontal looks strong as uzbekistan TV.

Not sure whether the problem is all vertical transponders or the fact that Hellas Sat very close by with similiar frequencies.Maybe I need a very big dish?

[Topper]

Has anyone had any success with picking up these Russian channels on 40 east.

None whatsoever Rob, I can easily get TV Uzbekistan 85% quality 55% strength All Hurrya the same , Space TV A2 drops to 18% 55%
but 10981V 44951 5/6 I have not a trace of, not even a sniff which leads me to think that the 'European' beam is not all that 'European' or details are not up to date on Lyngsat.

I did however by accident go past 42deg and picked up all the encrypted Discovery HD channels on 45deg East booming in on 99% 65% on 11591V 30000 7/8

[delboyt46]

10980 V
MPEG-444950 7/8

This is the information from FLY_SAT.com and tele-satellite.com says something competely different for the Russian Channels.

[Llew]

Tried the MPEG4 channel with the Humax HD2000, no joy. No other verticals coming in either.

Llew

[Rd100]

I get a very strong signal here on my 1.2m on 10981V but it will not download any channels on mpeg2 or mpeg4 receivers but the signal is there and strong useing 1.2m

[remlap]

What settings are you using?

[SatSearcher]

The signal on these channels is plenty strong enough, the reason why nobody can receive them is because of the high symbol rate in use, 44950. My Humax HDCI2000 for instance has a symbol rate range of 2000-45000 in normal DVB-S MPEG2 mode, but only 10000-30000 in DVB-S2 MPEG4 mode, thats why they can't be received.

[Rob]

Thanks for that ChannelHopper just what we needed to know.

Now if that's right does anyone know of a receiver that will pick these channels up, may be an answer from the other Channel Hopper.

Just imagine having TWO Channel Hopper's on the forum.

[delboyt46]

Thanks so much for explaining it.


It also explains why I cannot get the STS channel from 53 degrees east on my Humax 5300 anymore.

Can anybody tell me what is the max symbol rate on MPEG 4 on Pace DS810?

Derek

[Rob]

It also explains why I cannot get the STS channel from 53 degrees east on my Humax 5300 anymore.

Not trying to be a smart arse but I can get the higher symbol rate of 44950 on the STS (CTC) channels on 53 east are you sure that you can't change yours.

Just wish I could get them on 40 east.

[delboyt46]

I lost STS about a week ago.Strana OK and Ukraine OK.Will try again now.

[delboyt46]

I am trying using

11.044v

44951 3/4

What should I be using?

[Orthoclipse]

Now if that's right does anyone know of a receiver that will pick these channels up

This question cropped up before. The professional Scopus IRD 2900 is still the only DVB-S2 receiver capable of handling SRs up to 45,000.

I am trying using

11.044v

44951 3/4

What should I be using?

It's possible that your Humax isn't capable of handing high SRs. A number of DVB-S receivers can't work with SRs > 40,000 e.g Echostars AD3600/7000

[remlap]

The signal on these channels is plenty strong enough, the reason why nobody can receive them is because of the high symbol rate in use, 44950. My Humax HDCI2000 for instance has a symbol rate range of 2000-45000 in normal DVB-S MPEG2 mode, but only 10000-30000 in DVB-S2 MPEG4 mode, thats why they can't be received.

Why are you scanning a DVB-S transponder with DVB-S2 because its MPEG-4?

The Humax can tune in MPEG-4 on DVB-S just fine.

If not how the ** can BBC HD be tuned and recieved.

[Rob]

I am trying using. 11.044v 44951 3/4 What should I be using?

Pretty much what you are using except for S/R 44950, see if that makes any difference.

[SatSearcher]

Well i've tried everything to get this to scan in, but no luck! Tried scanning it in both DVB-S and DVB-S2 mode. I get a signal strength of 40% but can't lock it. I know my receiver can handle the symbol rate (i can get the package on 53E that uses 44950), i'm now putting it down to a weak signal with a high FEC (7/8), i normally need around 50% signal to lock up FEC's of 7/8

[Rob]

Just checked on King of Sat and it seems that these Russian channels are no longer HD and do not require MPEG4, can someone else check just in case I'm losing my marballs.

Rossiya TV Russia General RSCC Clear 1 521 640 rus
641 261 521 2007-01-19 +
Rossiya TV (+8h) Russia General RSCC Clear 2 522 645 rus
646 262 522 2007-01-19 +
Rossiya TV (+2h) Russia General RSCC Clear 3 523 650 rus
651 263 523 2007-01-19 +
Rossiya TV (+4h) Russia General RSCC Clear 4 524 655 rus
656 264 524 2007-01-19 +
Rossiya TV (+6h) Russia General RSCC Clear 5 525 660 rus
661 265 525 2007-01-19 +
RTR Planeta Russia General RSCC Clear 6 526 665 rus
666 266 526 2007-01-19 +
Kultura TV Russia Cultural RSCC Clear 7 527 670 rus
671 267 527 2007-01-19 +
STS Moldova General RSCC Clear 8 528 675 rus
676 268 528 2007-01-24 +
Domashniy Russia General RSCC Clear 9 529 680 rus
681 269 529 2007-01-24 +
Kultura TV (+10h) Russia Cultural RSCC Clear 10 530 685 rus
686 270 530 2007-01-19 +
Perviy Kanal Russia General RSCC Clear 11 531 690 rus 271 531 591 2007-01-19 +
7 TV Russia Sport RSCC Clear 12 532 695 rus
696 272 532 592 2007-01-19 +
Perviy Kanal Russia General RSCC Clear 13 533 700 rus
701 273 533 593 2007-01-19 +
Muz TV Russia Music RSCC Clear 14 534 705 rus
706 274 534 2007-01-19 +
Vesti Russia News RSCC Clear 15 535 710 rus
711 275 535 595 2007-01-24 +
Perviy Kanal Russia General RSCC Clear 16 536 715 rus
716 276 536 596 2007-01-19 +
STS Moldova General RSCC Clear 17 537 720 rus
721 277 537 2007-01-19 +
NTV Russia Russia General RSCC Clear 18 538 725 rus
726 278 538 2007-01-24 +
TNV Russia Russia General RSCC Clear 19 539 730 rus
731 279 539 2007-01-19 +
HD Test Belgium Presentations Clear 20 540 735 33 540 2007-01-19 +
Radio Mayak Clear 81 691 281 691 2007-01-19
Radio Kultura Clear 92 686 257 686 2007-01-19
SMR101 RSCC Clear 21 37 8191 2007-01-20
Express AM1 (40.0E) - 11044.00 H - Txp:B3 - Beam:Europe DVB-S (QPSK) - 40000 5/6 - NID:0

Mind you still can't receive them.

[delboyt46]

DS810XE is specified as follows:
DVB-S: 1 ~ 45 Msymbols/s
DVB-S2: 10 ~ 30 Msymbols/s

Pace think that these channels are DVB-S on Express AM1

[remlap]

Why should it think its DVB-S When it is.

[katkins]

This is all very confusing! I am also frustrated that I am not able to pick up the Russian Channels at 40 East. I thought I was alone, but now I have found this thread, I can see that I am in good company.

It would appear to me that the broadcasters are using a hybrid system - MPEG4 normally goes with DVB-S2 for HD. This seems to be using MPEG4 with DVB or DVB-S.

I assume that the HDCI-2000 will not pick up MPEG4 unless it is in DVB-S2 mode ...?? Is that right? Is this the reason why the receiver will not recognise the signal? It should be able to tune to the symbol rate in DVB-S.

Has anyone had any success at all in receiving these channels? Do you think it is possible to "fool" the receiver into tuning to them if the channel list is downloaded into receiver using a client such as "formula"?

Many thanks