Anyone got the new SKY cards yet?

[trigger]

Good point - will try that and report.
Gonna try the old card too

[Huevos]

It would be good to know, but we are not going to know the full story until all the cards have been issued and they can switch over to the new encryption system. Until then all the white cards will be using some backward compatibility mode.

[trigger]

Right then.

Old card still working in a 3rd party box with my package. This is now 3 weeks today the first message appeared about new card in the post.

New card works in box no problem

[useronline]

Will $ky be updating the FTV card to the new white card or will this remain as the old blue card?
Thanks

[PaulR]

If you bought an FTV card from $ly withing the last 12, or possibly 18, months then you should get another one free of charge. Any older, you'll have to shell out again.

[trigger]

Personally I dont think that these cards will be affected at all. Why bother swapping them. Leave the old encryption on the current channels it decodes and just upgrade the main package stuff.

But........ I have been wrong many, many,many times. LOL

[useronline]

Will the new SkyUK cards still operate at 5V or will this be changed to 3.3V like the SkyITA cards???
Thanks

[Analoguesat]

Right then.

Old card still working in a 3rd party box with my package. This is now 3 weeks today the first message appeared about new card in the post.

New card works in box no problem

If you can use a browser to access the cam info like you can with cccam on a DB you should be able to tell when the authorisations run out on it.

[trigger]

Nice one Analoguesat - I´ll try tomorrow but may need help as only just started playing with the dreambox. Had it ages but not played properly yet.

[nanochickin]

On a Dreambox you will need to use cccam as your emu and then download from the blue button a plugin called CCcam Info

Its available on most images

It doesn't matter if its version 1.0 or 1.1 as they more or less do the same thing anyway



Nano

[trigger]

Wow I did it.
Some at 23-6-09, some the 24th and one the 27th.

Happy days - got multiroom 4 a month

[pappupappu31]

the Sky uk card works even better in NEWCS/MGCAMD never had any probs

[roaaul]

Until then all the white cards will be using some backward compatibility mode.

who told you that? or is that opinion?
the new caid in the stream 0x963 runs simultaneously with the other 2 caids all use there own ecm & emm's they have nothing to do with each other at all, they have 3 nds data streams running at once totally individual to each other.
theres no chance nds will allow nds2 ecm's & emm's to be processed by the nds3 card thats why there's a different caid for the stream.
a new set of opcodes will be used from nds2 and as ppl can see the cam is using a check function to seal the top tiers from unauthorised box use on the newer cards ( this could be from a valid boxkey check through to a processor id check performed by the ird and xored to a ram location to be checked at will).
the dt08 sequence has not been increased as others have reported if anything its been decreased but saying that what's to stop them re mapping the dt08 sequence, thus changing the opcode for the final control words that are delivered?

R

[Huevos]

who told you that? or is that opinion?

The encryption hasn't switched yet, or has it? If it had the old cards wouldn't work any more, would they? Are the tests being carried out in this thread on the new cards going to produce the same results once the encryption is switched?

This thing about the multiple NDS stream can you explain that a bit more. I don't understand that as there is only 1 encrypted carrier. Are you saying that one carrier can be decoded by multiple methods?

[JTA]

Huevos, Sky is currently using both the old & the new encryption methods simultaniously. The "old" cards will be updated by the information send using the old caid code, the new card will not use these but are listening to a the new caid code '963'.
the old NDS2 Sky cards will stop working when Sky stops sending the old caid codes.

[compufunk]

I don't understand that as there is only 1 encrypted carrier. Are you saying that one carrier can be decoded by multiple methods?

There are plenty of packages/channels that are simultaneously encrypted in multiple encryption types.

Premier Germany is encrypted in Betacrypt, Nagra and NDS. They were even using multiple versions of Nagra at one point.

[Crusty Burke]

I've had the white Sky card for my Irish subscription for a few weeks. Up until the white card arrived I used to put the blue card back into its paired Sky box every three weeks overnight to update the card.

The white card will clear all paid for channels in my TM-6800 Super in the Multicrypt slot but the card will not update, as I found out.

I went away for a week and placed the white card into its Sky receiver while I was away. When I got back the Sky box would not clear any paid for channels - all paid for channels were showing the 08 - Programme is not available message.

I had to phone Sky and get the card re-activated. It seems that unlike the blue cards the white card keep alive signal is only sent once and if it isn't received the card will go to sleep until reactivated by a Sky customer service agent.

So when is the keep alive signal sent out? I have no idea. But this does mean the card will only now go into the Technomate when I want to record a programme rather than for everyday use.

[kitschcamp]

That's insane! They'll have phone queues like they wouldn't believe.

[rolfw]

I'm sure that it isn't only sent once, but they are obviously limiting the keep alive broadcasts to make card sharing more difficult.

The old expression "There's method in their madness" springs to mind.