ITV / C4 & possible beam changes affecting fringe reception areas

[Low Profile]

Maybe the Satellite has moved (or is in the process of moving) and has slightly twisted on it's axis.

[geoffreys]

hello to all,
those frequencies are good here as well.
all the itv as well ch4 and e 4 are all ok here as well.
12402 and 12480 are all the same.
using a 2 meter dish not 100% alainged and its ok here as well.
some friends with a 1.2 meter dish are picking this up ok as well.
ralph

Are (were??) both of these on the same satellite (2A)?
Geoff

[Huevos]

Are (were??) both of these on the same satellite (2A)?
Geoff

12402 is listed as 2B and 12480 2A.

[satelliteman]

Don't know how accurate that is though..

[woborny]

for info:
it is now 4pm here in gandia - south of valencia....

last weeks i would normally not be able to get the 12402 or 12480 channels at this time on my 80cm dish, but they are still there some 3 or 4 hours after they used to go.....

[geoffreys]

12402 is listed as 2B and 12480 2A.

As I thought. That means they (Astra SES) would have had to reposition TWO satellites - I doubt that is what has taken place. More likely a move to their respective south beams, or one moved onto the other satellite (an idea already floated earlioer in this thread).
Whatever the actual explanation, I appeal to Astra SES:
"THANK YOU - PLEASE DO NOT MAKE ANY CHANGES. AT LONG LAST WE HAVE SOMETHING WORTHWHILE TO WATCH AGAIN IN SUNNY CYPRUS"

[skyblueboy]

both frequencies are dead in Malta at the moment
seem to get them back at around 18.00 for a couple of hours
cant even pick them up on my praxis receiver

[ladybug]

I just got this from a fairly reliable source


There has been a problem on Tuesday evening - Astra 2a - where the transponder went into failure mode, so to prevent it failing completely several frequencies were moved to astra 2b. This has had the effect of changing the footprint with parts of Europe
losing ITV.Ch 4, E4 and E4+1.

[Analoguesat]

SES will be wishing they hadnt moved 2C to 31E

Theres sod all backup at 28E now.

[bite]

Sounds scarry...

[ladybug]

personally I think it sucks. That's as far as my technical speak goes LOL

People will pay for what they want and if Europe wants Sky then.............someone has to see the sense in it.

[woborny]

Ithe transponder went into failure mode,

a bit more technical than my "the transponder went "pop"" post!
so two sources have a similar reason as to what caused the problems
just need to confirm what has gone where.....

[satelliteman]

SES will be wishing they hadnt moved 2C to 31E

Theres sod all backup at 28E now.

As long as were not expected to move our dishes to 31e

[timo_w2s]

When (if?) Astra 2C comes home can it cover 2A/2B/2D frequencies if there are more failures?

[Analoguesat]

When (if?) Astra 2C comes home can it cover 2A/2B/2D frequencies if there are more failures?

No - cant do 2D

Frequency coverage officially is 11720-12750 MHz according to my list

[Analoguesat]

No - cant do 2D

Frequency coverage officially is 11720-12750 MHz according to my list

Umm thats not right - 2C was on air around 10960 at 28E! My list is wrong!

[denis1501]

I just got this from a fairly reliable source


There has been a problem on Tuesday evening - Astra 2a - where the transponder went into failure mode, so to prevent it failing completely several frequencies were moved to astra 2b. This has had the effect of changing the footprint with parts of Europe
losing ITV.Ch 4, E4 and E4+1.

Now this seems to make sense....except for the fact that 12070 H seems to have gone from 2B to Astra 2A North. Why would this have happened??

[skyblueboy]

here in Malta 112070h has appeared
11992h,12402v,and 12480v have gone
although itv is on at the moment?

[Huevos]

Umm thats not right - 2C was on air around 10960 at 28E! My list is wrong!

Wikipedia says 10700 - 12200.

But, SES Astra's fact sheet says 11700 - 12500.
_http://www.ses-astra.com/resources/pdf/en-shared/satellite_factsheets/0_2C_Footprint_FactSheet.pdf

[trigger]

I just got this from a fairly reliable source


There has been a problem on Tuesday evening - Astra 2a - where the transponder went into failure mode, so to prevent it failing completely several frequencies were moved to astra 2b. This has had the effect of changing the footprint with parts of Europe
losing ITV.Ch 4, E4 and E4+1.

Certainly would make sense as the channels gained here on 12382 (CH 998 and Box office stuff) are not a big loss if failure does occur. Same with 12070 as the sports in pubs can be covered using the domestic ones if necessary.

[zorbua]

Just to give further info... The Freqs 12480 V (Brit Asai + Ch 4) are viewable at the mom albeit with a low signal.
The Freq 12070 H (Fox News) ok as well (with a stronger signal than the 12480). Also freq 11992 (Blighty Ch.)
No Itv Channels except ITV HD (FREQ 11426 H) and rather poor. Will probably be better in the evening. All this from Malta location (South). This on a 1.2 m Dish.

[Turok]

how it looks in cypress at the moment,on this freqency?
same strenth then bbc?

here everything okay,signal very strong!

[deepbluesky]

Hans, in Cyprus (not cypress) the reception conditions are quite weird, indeed not at all comparable to your location. To make it short, the recommended dish sizes are at least 2.7m in the West and 4.2m in the East of Cyprus but forget the Verticals. So it depends on which BBCs and in particular which frequency you mean.

Now to the 2C factsheet: Looks to me as if SES Astra is getting less and less reliable in their information politics. Have a look at the attached pdf dated 1.11.2004 which i had saved from their web site years ago. This means 2C can take over the 2D frequencies BUT since the footprint can be changed don't be that sure that it will have the same almost paneuropean coverage that it had once from 19.2E or 28.2E. They could move it over the Atlantic and just cover Ireland and the UK with the most northeastern corner of it.

[BLUEPLATINUM]

Hi.

I have just been reading through the thread and there are so many observations and theories that it is a bit confusing.

Is there any chance that one of the "techies" (like AnalogueSat) could post a summary of what the known facts are so far?

Thanks in advance.

[BLUEPLATINUM]

...... BUT since the footprint can be changed ......

I read the PDF and I don´t see where it says the footprint can be changed. Would you expect that it can be?