TBS Card 6983

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Sounds like a backward step by the manufacturer ...
Hope I don't regret ording a 6983 ..
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OK, thanks Crazycat. BLScan2 to try.
 

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Sounds like a backward step by the manufacturer ...
Hope I don't regret ording a 6983 ..
rgds
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..the fate of the early adopter. No mercy :-lol
 

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TBS Blindscan no good for KA working - only has Ku and C band LNB options, so I get wrong frequencies when scanning (inconvenient).
 

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Hmm ..
I suspect the card will remain in it's box for some time when it arrives ..
Oh dear ...thanks for the heads up ...
The 6925 will stay in the one suitable slot I have available for now at least.
cest la vie
 

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Hmm ..
I suspect the card will remain in it's box for some time when it arrives ..
Oh dear ...thanks for the heads up ...
The 6925 will stay in the one suitable slot I have available for now at least.
cest la vie
Well at least TBS Blindscan zips through the 16E KA TP's, finding all carriers rapidly., so its seems to be a very sensitive tuner.
 

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Well at least TBS Blindscan zips through the 16E KA TP's, finding all carriers rapidly., so its seems to be a very sensitive tuner.
..almost sounds like TBS have written the superior software created by Crazycat out of the equation ..
at least for now..
and they refer to it as a 'professional' card ..
Not sure they realise that professional means more than C and Ku ..
..numpties..
 

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OK, working in EBSPro now. Stopped scan as I want to try on KA Band.
 

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I see only auto settings. Can't EBSPro read the parameters (e.g. FEC) from the card?

..and all carriers same level same SNR?
 

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Yes, I need to check the settings. Don't know why SNR is set at 10dB, much higher usually for 28E here.

Scanning slower compared to my TBS5925. Maybe because I've set the minimum SR to 100?
 

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Min SR not used for BLScan2().
 

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I see only auto settings. Can't EBSPro read the parameters (e.g. FEC) from the card?
..and all carriers same level same SNR?

Only params reported in TBS Blindscan tool. All extra params like SNR is fake.
 

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Vipersan said:
Sounds like a backward step by the manufacturer ...
Hope I don't regret ording a 6983 .

Vipersan said:
..almost sounds like TBS have written the superior software created by Crazycat out of the equation ..
at least for now..
..almost sounds like TBS have written the superior software created by Crazycat out of the equation ..
at least for now..
and they refer to it as a 'professional' card ..
Not sure they realise that professional means more than C and Ku ...

I do not condone the manufacturer, but somehow it's not his fault that is placed in an area where transmissions in 16 and 32 APSK modulations,with Multistream or in Ka band are very rare on Asian satellites.I remember that in 2011, when the TBS6925 card was launched,asking us,on beta-testers, to tell him transponders with such modulation on European satellites.Just recently,for TBS6983, he asked me to send a file with Continous stream.Probably,as in many cases,geography,besides other factors,play a major role in the development of these cards?!
To shorten, I think European contribution to the development of these cards was decisive,but the most important was CrazyCat,with his application-Crazyscan,which has made famous TBS6925/5925 card among enthusiasts.The same will happen with the new card if CrazyCat will develop an application that for the old card.Because TBS6983 has big potentialities hardware that only a software as it can put in value.
Here's summary a few strong points of the new card:
Unlike 6925, the tuner TBS6983 is extremely sensitive.
With the two tuners you can receive different transponders at the same time.Or with the tuner A,for example you can watch a program,and with the tuner B,you can use, for instance-TSAnalyser or Spectr.
Yet one of the major novelties of TBS6983 card is the fact that it has the support of symbol rates from 1 to 45 Msps.Now,we can find transponders with symbol rate under 200 Msps,but after the first pleasant surprises,we will want something more than to the card.
The manufacturer has designed this card and a few tools, but their development requires more specialized brain.One of these is CrazyCat,who made so much for our community as well as the manufecturer of the card.
To draw a brief conclusion, I would say that software/applications for TBS6983 is work in progress.Only CrazyCat knows how long it took that to worked out his Crazyscan for TBS6925 card.I think that for a TBS6983, he have more hassle to develop this application.
But it is better to wait for the application has come up,if he is going to do,and only then to be skeptical,if necessary.But I think it will not be the case.But even if we use 6983 card with the current tools, of manufacturer,TBS6983 has, besides the many things,better fiabilité than 6925.It is too early to be against something that is not yet fully developed.
I am more reserved towards the professional term applied to this card, just like you, but not because he knows to receive a band or another, or who knows how to make, but because the price of this card is 250$ .
It is performing compared to other card dvb-s2 but from a specialized card,how is Dektec,it is addressed to ordinary consumer.As in many other fields, the Chinese manufacturer has brought new technologies to a commercial level that we can support as regular buyer.
As a comparison, for a card dedicated to professionals, such as DekTec DTA-2137, cost over 1,000 euros, and with their applications, reaching up to 2000 euros.It is enough only this component to put us on guard if the product is for professionals or not.At the price of 250 $,don't expect from 6983(or any tbs)card who knows what technological miracle,instead it gives us what most enthusiasts wanted for many years:receptions of various kinds made without being specialized,I mean professional!
 

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A tuner sensitivity comparison on 16E KA Band between the TBS6983 and TBS5925. Scanned within a minute or two of each other.

Time for scan TBS6983 - 36s. Found 7
Time for scan TBS5925 - 1.o8m. Found 5

The TBS6983 uses BScan2, so missing are SNR, FEC and Modulation, but finds the extra TPs.
 

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A very low symbol rate found with this card - Radio Immac.

Eutelsat 16A KA 16E 21564H SR 128 FEC 3/4 DVB-S MPEG2

Only with Direct Tuning.

16E KA 21564H.jpg Radio Immac.jpg
 

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@Llew,Congratulations for your success.So,it can!This is the lowest symbol rate found on the European satellites.
We have to open a topic with transponders with symbol rate under 1000 Msps!There are many such transponders that have low symbol rates.
 

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Yes, don't know of any lower, but who knows? Problem is scanning in EBSPro BLScan2 doesn't find this one, so we need to rely on the parameters shown in satellite listing sites, and use direct tuning.
 

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But instead of BLScan2,uses TBS Blindscan and surely you will find these transponders.
I have found enough transponders with low symbol rates.Are listed on FlySat.
 

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Tried that before satesco, but it doesn't find that TP, only the higher TP SR's (1000+)

Which version of TBS Blindscan do you have? Mine's 3.0.1.3.
 

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Use the same version as yours-EBS 3.0.1.3.Up to this summer I used 3.0.1.2 vers. If you want it,you can download it from here .But I don't think it doesn't matter what BS version you use to lock low symbol rate.So with both versions(tbs bs 1.0.1.2&1.0.1.3) blindscan found low symbol rate.
I think it's important to have strong signal and possibly a pll lnb, mentioned by BlindFaith at #6.I have found the lowest symbol rates with IBU with scalar rings.I do not know if it will ever be possible that TBS Blindscan to find low symbol rate on frequencies in increments of 1 MHz from each other,as are those at 42E and 30W.For this reason they must be searched manually.
I'll post transponders on different satellites with symbol rate under 1000 Msps found by TBS Blindscan,and with EBS at 42E:
 

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