Which is best 1.8M dish in Spain - Offset or PF ?

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Not put a picture on before, however you can just see the top of my dish ,the missing roof and the damage to the wall as it came down !
Didn't quite know how to add this text to the post with the picture , but I think it shows my point .
 

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winds were recorded at 150 km/ hr
I think you still have potential for surviving stronger winds. According to manual Prodelin 1,8m is fully operational till 80km/h wind and can sustain up to 201km/h.

P.S. I have two of thees and like them a lot.
 
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Normally a PF dish has a nice heavy-duty backring. This keeps the shape and focus perfect. Most offset dishes don't have this and are nowhere near as well built. Normally they are just scaled up cheap domestic dishes. Apart from the CM 1.8m I wouldn't consider an offset dish of this size.

Huevos, I have to disagree with you, my steel FTE 1.5 never lets me down. Be it wind, rain or sun, I don´t lose any channels
 

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Huevos, I have to disagree with you, my steel FTE 1.5 never lets me down. Be it wind, rain or sun, I don´t lose any channels
Hello BP,
I have a friend in Torrevieja with a 1.4m dish and both he and others with 1.4's are struggling,, ¿Do you know or have experience that the FTE 1.5 will improve the situation there?

I know that in the Cuidad Quesada situation the reception, albeit not a great distance away, is better but he will find it difficult to install a 1.9m as space is a factor.

Thanks and enjoy your day. :)
 
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Yes, I have an FTE 1.5 and I think it is much better than a Famaval 1.35 (1.4) weighs probably twice as much and has much better gain, in my opinion. Spec sheets will advise the same. However, FTE 1.5 costs about the same as the Gibertini 1.5 which most experts would advise should be better, but I don´t have a Gibertini so cannot comment.

As for problems in Torrevieja, I know some 1.1´s are working ok there, so the 1.4 (1.35?) should not be having a problem, unless it has been bent, mis-alighned or has obstruction
 

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Yes, I have an FTE 1.5 and I think it is much better than a Famaval 1.35 (1.4) weighs probably twice as much and has much better gain, in my opinion. Spec sheets will advise the same. However, FTE 1.5 costs about the same as the Gibertini 1.5 which most experts would advise should be better, but I don´t have a Gibertini so cannot comment.

As for problems in Torrevieja, I know some 1.1´s are working ok there, so the 1.4 (1.35?) should not be having a problem, unless it has been bent, mis-alighned or has obstruction

Thanks for that BP....will advise. :)
 
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Also need to advise that Ciudad Quesada also has it´s own problems, don´t think the signal is much different to Torrevieja and due to topigraphics has additional problems in some areas, coupled with intensified noise from many re-distribution systems from tv and internet suppliers in the locality
 

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.......... coupled with intensified noise from many re-distribution systems from tv and internet suppliers in the locality

Yep.....very noticeable when you look at the different types of parabolica mounted on roofs (or rooves if you are older) etc.

Thank you and enjoy your weekend. :)
 

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Ok, so I am now trying to source a Tecatel Prodelin 1.8m Offset (KPR180OF). The only two online suppliers I can find are www.todostok.com and www.tdtprofesional.com at €760 and €780 respectively including IVA. The problem with Todostok is they seem to insist that you need to buy a Jaula(cage) for transportation as well at €240.

The Tdtprofesional price seem ok-ish, but does anybody know of any alternative Prodelin suppliers ?
 

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Ok, so I am now trying to source a Tecatel Prodelin 1.8m Offset (KPR180OF). The only two online suppliers I can find are www.todostok.com and www.tdtprofesional.com at €760 and €780 respectively including IVA. The problem with Todostok is they seem to insist that you need to buy a Jaula(cage) for transportation as well at €240.

The Tdtprofesional price seem ok-ish, but does anybody know of any alternative Prodelin suppliers ?
I bought mine from Sematron in the UK , they are the importers. As they don't retail in the UK they were happy to supply me. 5 years ago I paid just under £410.00 inc vat. I was shipping some items to Spain to my apartment anyway so that's how it got there, but there are other means.
If you want more contact details then pm me, but they are easy to find on google.
They are in Basingstoke in Hampshire.
 

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I bought mine from Sematron in the UK , they are the importers. As they don't retail in the UK they were happy to supply me. 5 years ago I paid just under £410.00 inc vat. I was shipping some items to Spain to my apartment anyway so that's how it got there, but there are other means.
If you want more contact details then pm me, but they are easy to find on google.
They are in Basingstoke in Hampshire.
Thanks for the info. sorry for the delay but I have been busy with other things, and then I thought I could say thanks by PM - but cant seem to be able to.
Anyway I have picked up some contact info from www.gdsatcom.com for the spanish importers as well, so I should be alright, unless you have some very special contacts.
 

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I am still trying to find the right dish at the right price, but in the meantime I have surveyed the existing infrastructure of terrestrial cabling and conduits etc in the undeground garage which I am trying to utilize, and have come up with the following design using cascade multi-switches.
Los Llanos Sat System.jpg
This is all based on Triax kit, because I believe them to be reliable & of good quality, but if anyone has any relevant comments with regard to that, I would much appreciate them. Any other manufacturer recommendations also.

Never having installed anything as complex as this before, my design is very theoretical, so if there are any obvious flaws please feel free to point them out. My original thoughts were to have power sockets installed near every switch and use external DC adaptors, but apparently I could also supply power to them with an Inline Power Inserter or even via the terrestrial feed. Any advice here also welcome. I wasnt planning to run the 5th (terrestrial) cable between each switch, I was thinking of picking up the terrestrial feed at each local splitter point for each block of 4 apartments. Only 20 (Brits) of 32 apartments are being connected.

The existing terrestrial cable is satellite quality, and I plan to use the last individual cable link up to each apartment from the switch (having taken a feed from the local terrestrial splitter) with a diplexer to separate the signals as it enters the apartment. I have reverse tested one of these cable links using the existing 1.25m dish/LNB (with no 2E/F Spot Beam obviously) with no obvious reduction in signal strength, so I think it should all work.

I am hoping that as long as I get a decent enough signal using the 1.8m dish, that the signal boost capabilities from the combination of Amp, Quatro Splitter, and Cascade Switches should keep the levels up to an acceptable standard. Can anyone see any problems with the cable lengths. I plan to use Webro WF100 for all new cabling.

I hope I have explained myself clearly enough, and hopefully the schematic makes it easier to understand. Many thanks in advance for any help, and sorry to have to keep asking so many questions.
 
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One thing to remember about oval offset dishes is that they have to be set up with true vertical mounts and be sure they are on the perfect focal plane i.e. presented square on to the satellite. The oval dishes are offset and the satellite at its angle 'sees' a round dish but you can't and it is easy to introduce distortions when setting up. That and higher potential mechanical strength is why big dishes 1.4m to 3m and bigger tend to remain circular (as are the Jodrell Bank sized dishes) rather than oval offset.


I suggest reading Huevos comments again, as he is right as usual (imho).
 

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I am still trying to find the right dish at the right price, but in the meantime I have surveyed the existing infrastructure of terrestrial cabling and conduits etc in the undeground garage which I am trying to utilize, and have come up with the following design using cascade multi-switches.
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This is all based on Triax kit, because I believe them to be reliable & of good quality, but if anyone has any relevant comments with regard to that, I would much appreciate them. Any other manufacturer recommendations also.

Never having installed anything as complex as this before, my design is very theoretical, so if there are any obvious flaws please feel free to point them out. My original thoughts were to have power sockets installed near every switch and use external DC adaptors, but apparently I could also supply power to them with an Inline Power Inserter or even via the terrestrial feed. Any advice here also welcome. I wasnt planning to run the 5th (terrestrial) cable between each switch, I was thinking of picking up the terrestrial feed at each local splitter point for each block of 4 apartments. Only 20 (Brits) of 32 apartments are being connected.

The existing terrestrial cable is satellite quality, and I plan to use the last individual cable link up to each apartment from the switch (having taken a feed from the local terrestrial splitter) with a diplexer to separate the signals as it enters the apartment. I have reverse tested one of these cable links using the existing 1.25m dish/LNB (with no 2E/F Spot Beam obviously) with no obvious reduction in signal strength, so I think it should all work.

I am hoping that as long as I get a decent enough signal using the 1.8m dish, that the signal boost capabilities from the combination of Amp, Quatro Splitter, and Cascade Switches should keep the levels up to an acceptable standard. Can anyone see any problems with the cable lengths. I plan to use Webro WF100 for all new cabling.

I hope I have explained myself clearly enough, and hopefully the schematic makes it easier to understand. Many thanks in advance for any help, and sorry to have to keep asking so many questions.
As you rightly say, the existing cabling is designed for terrestrial TV. IMO it would be a mistake to try to adapt that to satellite distribution. Much better to feed a satellite to DVB converter from the dish (short cable run). This example w_w_w.tvconverters.co.uk/satellite-to-dvbt.html looks like an amazing option. You can daisy chain them if you need more than seven TPs and passthru local DTT too.
 
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