Advice Needed Which sats? Toroidal 90 in Europe

[Doc Sarah]

Does anyone have a Toroidal 90cm Satellites Antenna

 

[Analoguesat]

Hello DC - welcome to the forum.

Several of our members have Toroidal dishes. Is there anything particular you want to know about them?

If its not related directly to Eutelsat 36E then we can move these posts into their own thread later.

 

[Doc Sarah]

For the entire EU what satellites should I point my 16 LNB's on my Toroidal T90 Dish?

 

[Doc Sarah]

Essentially I live in Western Europe, I want to know which 16 satellites should I point my 16 LNB's to tune all channels in Europe?

 

[Analoguesat]

Hang on - let me split this off onto its own topic - then folks will see it more prominently

EDIT - done

 

[RimaNTSS]

I want to know which 16 satellites should I point my 16 LNB's to tune all channels in Europe

Welcome to forum Doc Sarah!
It is not so easy to get all channels in Europe!With only T90 you will not be abbe to get all channels, that is for sure. So, please reduce your level of ambition.
You also can not tune your T90 to 16 satellites and finish tuning process fast, especially if you going to do it yourself. Start with 3 satellites, for example 28,2*E-9*E-8*W, if you get signals from them than that will not be so difficult to add more LNBs.
Want to it get fast- ask professional installer to do the job.

 

[hairybadger]

I have a T-90, centred on 19.2E and populated with 16 or 17 LNBs. With an extension bar it can see from 5W to 45E, although performance towards either end drops off somewhat. It's a while since I've looked at the less interesting (to me!) satellites but from memory 3E to 39E are fine. In places I have Inverto narrow LNBs - these are OK for strong signals towards the centre of the guidebar but I find them very sensitive to rain or snow.

 

[Analoguesat]

The first question you need to ask yourself is what are the must have channels/satellites, and take it from there

 

[hairybadger]

The first question you need to ask yourself is what are the must have channels/satellites, and take it from there

second question: are there any trees in the way, and can I get away with "disappearing" them

 

[Doc Sarah]

Thank you all for your pro-active help.

My must have channels are Everything in SCANDINAVIA, EVERYTHING available in GERMANY, Everything available in SWITZERLAND, EVERYTHING available in ENGLAND, and Everything available in English language available via satellite Europe wide, I want to exclude all Shopping & religious programming no matter which language it is broadcasted in! All Adult Channels because my movies are now being shown in all markets within the EU. I live in Costa Brava so my latitude and longitude is 42.0228° N, 3.2245° E I want everything available to by 16 LNB's especially HD content where possible, especially Adult content available via CAM!

My system is: 1 x Toroidal 90cm Antenna, 4 x Centauri 16 DiSEqC x 16 universal INVERTO Black Premium LNB - 58" 65'' 16:9 Plasma display BeoVision 12 [HD 1080 & HD 4K] Bang & Olufsen and BeoSystem 4 which includes 4 x satellite tuner modules (special build).

If you see there is something missing or something I should consider adding to my system in the above configuration to make it more flexible and to insure better reception please let me know, there is a very nice reward for the individual who gets the information to me promptly and accurately.

Thank you for your consideration
Doctor Sarah

 

[Analoguesat]

Your not going to get everything so reign in your aspirations. many Scandanavian channels are broadcast on restricted beams firing into the Nordic areas. Many channels are secure encrypted so you would need a subscription & probably a dedicated receiver

Swiss channels are easily available, but mainly encrypted so you need an annual card - only available to Swiss nationals or those with Swiss contacts.

Much of the UK output is also encrypted & you are looking at an absolute minimum of the equivalent of ~£30/month for the bottom Sky package. AT LEAST double that if you want HD, movies & sport. And double again if you have to use a Spanish reseller

English language is also avaiil;able on many other channels as secondary audio but apart from a few news channels virtually all are encrypted.

Germany - easily avaiilable & a mixture of free & encrypted

Adult channels easily available but again encrypted, prices start about ~£20/month


Have a play with this search site

http://en.kingofsat.net/search.php

As to satellites you need to be thinking about

5E - Scandanavian
13E - Swiss & Adult
19E - Germany
28E - UK.

 

[Doc Sarah]

Welcome to forum Doc Sarah!
It is not so easy to get all channels in Europe!With only T90 you will not be abbe to get all channels, that is for sure. So, please reduce your level of ambition.
You also can not tune your T90 to 16 satellites and finish tuning process fast, especially if you going to do it yourself. Start with 3 satellites, for example 28,2*E-9*E-8*W, if you get signals from them than that will not be so difficult to add more LNBs.
Want to it get fast- ask professional installer to do the job.

MY ANSWER:
Thank you for your suggestions! My problem is I 'did' have a professional do the job! However as English language was a problem all I have are Spanish and 'some' limited English language channels despite paying over €2,210,00 euros for my complete 16 QUAD LNB's + Toroidal T90 cm antenna system. I have been told that the system is poorly aligned and that though each TV has its own DiSEqC tuning is occurring across all four
DiSEqC instead of each switch accessing ALL signals.

I am a Adult Actress, not a technician so I have had to begin educating myself in this very specialised area to insure that I am not ripped off again, for s_x and money, as I paid in both kinds of tender and did not get what I wanted in program access. I do not want to go though that again, so I am immersing myself in the satellites signals area so I know what to ask for the next time I have a so called "professional' visit my Villa.

I want to begin with knowing at which Satellites I need too point my Toroidal T90 cm antenna system on which is mounted 16 ultra sensitive universal LNB's. Those how help me can count on me helping them, so thank you!

Doctor Sarah

 

[Doc Sarah]

Your not going to get everything so reign in your aspirations. many Scandanavian channels are broadcast on restricted beams firing into the Nordic areas. Many channels are secure encrypted so you would need a subscription & probably a dedicated receiver

Swiss channels are easily available, but mainly encrypted so you need an annual card - only available to Swiss nationals or those with Swiss contacts.

Much of the UK output is also encrypted & you are looking at an absolute minimum of the equivalent of ~£30/month for the bottom Sky package. AT LEAST double that if you want HD, movies & sport. And double again if you have to use a Spanish reseller

English language is also avaiil;able on many other channels as secondary audio but apart from a few news channels virtually all are encrypted.

Germany - easily avaiilable & a mixture of free & encrypted

Adult channels easily available but again encrypted, prices start about ~£20/month


Have a play with this search site

http://en.kingofsat.net/search.php

As to satellites you need to be thinking about

5E - Scandanavian
13E - Swiss & Adult
19E - Germany
28E - UK.

MY ANSWER

 

[hairybadger]

2200EUR? Are the LNBs gold-plated?

 

[Doc Sarah]

Hi Analoguesat, thanks for your help.

Yes, I know I will not get everything, I have been contemplating adding a second Toroidal T90 cm antenna system because the city administration has limited dish sizes you can place on top of the roof to 1 meter!

Anything above that, like a 1.5 meter must be placed in the garden and that is not an option for me as I have a 6o meter pool in the middle of my garden and there is no real placement for an antenna of any size and even if I could place it there it would not be attractive at all! So as far as the roof of my villa is conceder I am limited to a cluster of Toroidal T90 cm antennas and I have been contemplating installing 2 and not 1.

Your advice and suggestion to this question?
"If 16 LNB's were your limit and you needed English Language and Adult Content in HD or 4K what satellites would you point those LNB's at"? The only caveat is that I am a Swedes girl and I am a long way from the cold at home, I still want to watch Swedish, Danish and German, Switzerland and English contant which is the countries in which my content is available on Adult channels available though a CAM.

Thanks again for you generous help in this matter!

 

[Doc Sarah]

2200EUR? Are the LNBs gold-plated?

The price was the quote for all equipment and labour charges and yes I know I was robbed, and he got some free s_x too! And no they are not Gold Plated they are:

16 x INVERTO Black Premium Selected 0.2DB LNB UNIVESAL QUAD L40 ULTRA HGLN

 

[hairybadger]

The price was the quote for all equipment and labour charges and yes I know I was robbed, and he got some free s_x too! And no they are not Gold Plated they are:

16 x INVERTO Black Premium Selected 0.2DB LNB UNIVESAL QUAD L40 ULTRA HGLN

Black Ultra give higher gain, but Black Premium may be sufficient for your needs (depending on each satellite!). I use an ultra for the 28.2E UK spotbeam, for example. The premium will be fine for most of your needs.

 

[Doc Sarah]

Welcome to forum Doc Sarah!
It is not so easy to get all channels in Europe!With only T90 you will not be abbe to get all channels, that is for sure. So, please reduce your level of ambition.
You also can not tune your T90 to 16 satellites and finish tuning process fast, especially if you going to do it yourself. Start with 3 satellites, for example 28,2*E-9*E-8*W, if you get signals from them than that will not be so difficult to add more LNBs.
Want to it get fast- ask professional installer to do the job.

MY ANSWER:
What gave you the impression I was going to do any of the work myself? If I gave you that impression I am absolutely sorry, I am going to have a professional finials the instillation, just not the one I used before. However, I do not want to make the same mistakes I did before with the first installer. Therefore I want to know more this time around, this is why I need to know the "optimal" satellites I need to be pointed at so I can tell them what I want instead of settling for what they 'say' I should have! Given the satellites and programming I have previously selected I need to know the "Optimal" stateless I can point those 16 LMB's too! That is my sole question, how I manage it will be determined by the professional I give the list too! Can you tell me which satellites it should be?

 

[Doc Sarah]

Black Ultra give higher gain, but Black Premium may be sufficient for your needs (depending on each satellite!). I use an ultra for the 28.2E UK spotbeam, for example. The premium will be fine for most of your needs.

MY RESPONSE:
The equipment has already been purchased due to my location in Southern Europe!

 

[Doc Sarah]

2200EUR? Are the LNBs gold-plated?

MY RESPONSE:
A motorises antenna system is out of the question!