Newbie Here Constant 0 quality.

Antony.buck · Nov 23, 2014

IHi there... My first post so please be patient.

I have go everything wired and linked correctly (I think) and the dish pointed in the direction of astra2 according to dishpointer.com and neighbours dishes...

My problem is no matter where I move the dish to I am getting signal strength of 50-72 but the quality has not once gone over 0 percent, at all. I have tried for hours. There are no obstacles.

My first question is will the quality always be 0 until the dish is spot on to the mm or should it be a low testing getting better with tweaking?

Second question is I have tried all the astrsa options on the rx box and same problems with a off them...

Anyone have any suggestions please? I will elaborate however I can but please remember I am a complete novice with only basic equipment.

Thanks for reading.

Channel Hopper · Nov 23, 2014

Are you using the 35 cm dish as part of the system ?

Without a meter, relying on the signal indications given by a generic receiver mean yopu might be looking at a frequency that is not currently in the list of channels.

What is the default frequency for 28E scanning in the Tevion unit ?

Mickha · Nov 23, 2014

Hi Antony buck,
welcome to the forum

We've all been through this, in the beginning, and had the same problems.
First ensure your cables are connected correctly, and that the braid is as shown in the attached image.
Signal quality is the most important, and aligning the dish is difficult, especially the first time, which is why it's easier with a satellite signal meter, even the cheapest, £6-£10, but it can be done with patience, and gently moving your dish, East/West, up/down.

Are you trying to get Astra 2, 28.2E? Ensure your receiver is tuned to an active, FTA, transponder. What make/model receiver do you have?

Analoguesat · Nov 23, 2014

You wont get any meaningful quality reading until you are within half a degree or so of the transmission both vertically and horizontally.

The face of the dish should be just about vertical

Antony.buck · Nov 23, 2014

Channel Hopper said:
Are you using the 35 cm dish as part of the system ?
Yes.
Without a meter, relying on the signal indications given by a generic receiver mean yopu might be looking at a frequency that is not currently in the list of channels.
I have a basic led meter included with the kit. Though it does seem misleading as it goes up and down on its own whether I move the dish or not.

What is the default frequency for 28E scanning in the Tevion unit ?

I'm afraid I don't know how to find this out?

Mickha said:
Hi Antony buck,
welcome to the forum

We've all been through this, in the beginning, and had the same problems.
First ensure your cables are connected correctly, and that the braid is as shown in the attached image.
I have redone them all myself
Signal quality is the most important, and aligning the dish is difficult, especially the first time, which is why it's easier with a satellite signal meter, even the cheapest, £6-£10, but it can be done with patience, and gently moving your dish, East/West, up/down.
I tried very small adjustments for hours and never goes above 0 quality even trying all the satellite names in the list.
Are you trying to get Astra 2, 28.2E?
Yes I think so.. It just says 1e and 2 in list I'm not sure of the 28.2e part?
Ensure your receiver is tuned to an active, FTA, transponder. What make/model receiver do you have?
I have set it to the 10788v22000 which I think is bbc1? And is just the tevion named one in the kit. I have tried my sky dish feed into the rx and it worked instantly so must be the dish or cabling.
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Antony.buck · Nov 23, 2014

Sorry not sure how to use the multi quote thingy...

Analoguesat said:
You wont get any meaningful quality reading until you are within half a degree or so of the transmission both vertically and horizontally.

The face of the dish should be just about vertical

not meaningful would mean something very low but not 0? And I have swept East West with everything from flat to about 35d

Analoguesat · Nov 23, 2014

At a guess you should get at least 60% when you find 28E - the 28E satellites chuck out loads of power.

Try looking for 11714H 22000 5/6, this is one of the channel 4 frequencies and nice high power.

You dont need to sweep right round east to west - concentrate on the area round south east.

Mickha · Nov 23, 2014

Best to buy a cheap satellite meter, this will show signal quality readings at a very low level and allow you to quickly align your dish, it will even tell you if the cables are wired correctly, and the LNB working, as the meter lights up.
Setting it up manually takes tremendous patience, and slight movements, especially when using a small dish.

Antony.buck · Nov 23, 2014

That's what confuses me... It has never even flickered above 0... It's there a way to check the lnb? Something Mr Dr be broken...

Antony.buck · Nov 23, 2014

Mickha said:
Best to buy a cheap satellite meter, this will show signal quality readings at a very low level and allow you to quickly align your dish, it will even tell you if the cables are wired correctly, and the LNB working, as the meter lights up.
Setting it up manually takes tremendous patience, and slight movements, especially when using a small dish.

How do I know which satellite name to choose.. None of them say 28.2e the closest is astra2 that's all it says... Though when I plugged sky dish in it said astra1e or f was active? Don't suppose anyone lives near Leeds? Lol

Tururu · Nov 23, 2014

As indicated by peers, with the 35cm antenna (recommended more than 45cm), move 2milimetros as much every time, no more.
Remember that aim at a target 5metros this to 35.000Kilometros on average, is not easy to hit the target.

It is good to remember that a SatFinder only indicates signal from a satellite (the most powerful tp), but does not indicate quality, but the tuner measures the quality.
In the tuner, I selected a channel/tp (valid), look signal levels and quality, by moving the antenna, wait a few seconds to update levels, remember that only you measure that channel, if the SatFinder indicates signal and tuner (in a valid tp) shows no sign, surely we are not in another satellite Astra to 28'2ºEste.
Pulling the edge of the antenna (like an ear) more than 3-5 millimeters right left lose the satellite, very smooth movements, as up/down.

To clear the levels in the tuner LNB cover mouth with hand, the signal values that you now have the tuner are zero.

Look for these satellites in tuner settings:
Eutelsat 28A, Astra 2A, Astra 2E, Astra 2F, but could be as Astra 2D or Eurobird1, everyone 28'xº East.
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Como indican los compañeros, con esa antena 35cm (recomendado mas de 45cm), mover 2milimetros como mucho cada vez, no mas.
Recuerda que apuntas a un blanco de 5metros que esta a 35.000Kilometros de media, no es facil dar en la diana.

Es bueno recordar que un SatFinder solo indica señal de un satelite (del tp mas potente), pero no indica calidad, solo el sintonizador mide la calidad.
En el sintonizador, seleccionado un canal/tp (valido), miramos los niveles de señal y calidad, al mover la antena, esperar unos segundos a que actualice niveles, recuerda que solo mides ese canal, si el satfinder indica señal y en el sintonizador (en un tp valido) no muestra señal, seguramente estamos en otro satelite y no Astra a 28'2ºEste.
Tirando del borde de la antena (como una oreja) mas de 3-5 milimetros derecha/izquierda perdemos el satelite, movimientos muy suaves, lo mismo arriba/abajo.

Para tener claro los niveles en el sintonizador, tapa la boca del LNB con la mano, los valores de señal que tienes ahora en el sintonizador son cero.

Busca estos satelites en la configuracion del sintonizador:
Eutelsat 28A, Astra 2A, Astra 2E, Astra 2F, pero podria estar como Astra 2D o Eurobird1, todos a 28'xº Este.

PS: Good luck./Suerte.

Tururu · Nov 23, 2014

Antony.buck said:
IHi there... My first post so please be patient.

I have go everything wired and linked correctly (I think) and the dish pointed in the direction of astra2 according to dishpointer.com and neighbours dishes........

It is a typical mistake, everyone thought the same thing when we started, some signal you would have to have, similar to the TV antenna, but these mistaken.
You aim a laser pointer at a target that is at 35.000Kilometros and the target have 5metros.
If you can see a difference of 5 millimeters in the position of your antenna, congratulations, others not.
You can not move the antenna 2milimetros more than ever, patience.

Also confuses with the antenna pointing down, mark signal, but not quality.
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Es un error tipico, todos cuando empezamos pensamos lo mismo, algo de señal tendrias que tener, similar a la antena de TV, pero estas en un error.
Apuntas con un puntero laser a un blanco que esta a 35.000Kilometros y la diana tienes 5metros.
Si puedes ver una diferencia de 5 milimetros en la posicion de tú antena, felicidades, los demas no.
No puedes mover mas de 2milimetros la antena cada vez, paciencia.

Tambien despista que con la antena apuntando al suelo, marca señal, pero no calidad.

Mickha · Nov 23, 2014

Antony.buck said:
How do I know which satellite name to choose.. None of them say 28.2e the closest is astra2 that's all it says... Though when I plugged sky dish in it said astra1e or f was active? Don't suppose anyone lives near Leeds? Lol

28.2E has a number of satellites, check link:

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http://www.lyngsat.com/europe.html

But many satellites share similar frequencies, and a signal can show up even when you're not pointing at the correct satellite. Buying a cheap satellite meter, for £6-£10, will solve most of your problems, as you can increase/decrease the sensitivity to allow you to easily locate a satellite, then use your receiver to identify the satellite.
Once you set a dish up you will quickly realize how easy it is, when using the correct equipment.

Lazarus · Nov 23, 2014

And don't forget that for eg 25deg Elevation you don't point the Dish up 25 deg .................. AS mentioned earlier, the dish should be more or less vertical

Antony.buck · Nov 23, 2014

Tivù said:
View attachment 70156 And don't forget that for eg 25deg Elevation you don't point the Dish up 25 deg .................. AS mentioned earlier, the dish should be more or less vertical

Great picture I thought it meant something different... So how can I measure this angle? If I had some sort of tool where would I position it to get the correct angle?

rolfw · Nov 23, 2014

Just buy a satbeeper or cheap swinging needle meter, both available for little money, it will alert you when you see a satellite, then you can fine tune to the correct satellite and eventually the best alignment.

Lazarus · Nov 23, 2014

Antony.buck said:
Great picture I thought it meant something different... So how can I measure this angle? If I had some sort of tool where would I position it to get the correct angle?

If you set the dish face vertical by eye, you won't be far out. Adjusting the elevation is always an integral part of alignment. And it's mostly done by trial and error for small dishes.

Big dishes are a different kettle of fish, but that need not trouble us here!

Antony.buck · Nov 23, 2014

Thanks for the help so far... Lots of things to think about and try tomorrow...

As for wiring is it just plug wire into dish and into box or is there more to it?

I have a flat white wire a well with 2 male end on... Can't see in instructions what is for, is it just to facilitate connection to the meter or more to it? It's flat white plastic coated

davemurgtroyd · Nov 24, 2014

Antony.buck said:
Thanks for the help so far... Lots of things to think about and try tomorrow...

As for wiring is it just plug wire into dish and into box or is there more to it?

I have a flat white wire a well with 2 male end on... Can't see in instructions what is for, is it just to facilitate connection to the meter or more to it? It's flat white plastic coated

The flat wire is to allow a cable to be passed through a door or window and allow it to be closed.

Antony.buck · Nov 25, 2014

Update :

I got it all to work thanks to the explanation of elevation and offset dishes along with realising the proper function of the meter.

The very first sat I picked up was sirius 4 @5e... Something I wasn't expecting as I said aiming for astra@28... I still don't understand how the degrees work perhaps I just haven't read the right explanation yet to trigger the idea like with the elevation diagram above.

I know sirius4 is a euro language satellite but haven't read much on it.

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