I though they where the nexus was the same card I stand corrected. It was on Ebay but it seems to have been sold or removed. It was about £20 i think, cant remember if that was buy it now or just where it was up to as an auction. Perhaps I will get a skystar 2 after all. So does the skystar 2 not have a tv out then? I suppose for unofficial purposes you dont need the cam do you as it would ude softcams, is that right?