as you say - what the viewers want

Who do you ask ?

Those already on a subscription system without pornography ?
Those with subscription to an existing offshore erotic channel ?
Those that can view foreign TV within the UK and receive additional erotic channels by any means ?
A general proportion of the whole of the UK satellite and non satellite viewing public ?

Without checking ALL the above options, its impossible to find if a R18 channel (or greater) is likely to be favourably viewed, for the purpose of checking how far the content would be deemed
1) suitable for all
2) enough to satisfy
3) profitable for the provider
4) likely to succeed when pitched in with the competition
5) continue to be profitable

One supplier of satellite goods in E London is always promoting 'new' hard core channels from satellite, all of which seem (allegedly) to have similar content and are in most ways contain content able to morph into each new channel.

my feelings are that the ITC/Ofcom have got things right as far as censorship goes with UK TV......Have you ever stopped to think that many of us on this site actually enjoy buying CAMS erecting dishes etc...as Satellite tv of this nature becomes an enjoyable hobby and not just pointing the remote to switch on the Digibox!....the added bonus is..yes we can watch porn if we choose

There are channels waiting in the wings for any sign of weakness from the censures, they have the content and are ready.

In some cases it will be cheaper for them as now they have to cut their SHOTS so to speak in order to stay within the guidelines at present. These are by and large, well run channels, and very good at what they do, they have been on the SKY platform for a long time. Some of the newer additions to the SKY platform may not be well run and here in lies the dilemma for the regulators ( can they open the flood gates with these channels around ), the answer = NO.

Then there is the unknown quantity….The Friendly TV’s ( Babecast ) of this world, channels like this have been pushing the limits for some time now. What would these channels do if the shackles where loosened, I for one hope things stay as they are and no hardcore is allowed on home TV.

There are places to go if one wants HC, those who really want it will find it, and those who do not, will never see it even by accident.

Totaly agree about the Sky bit m8 as it was Sky I was attacking for ripping people off!....but I hate to deflate you we also get footy and porn over here, providing you have a satellite sytem that is........and a lot of it is free!

pls explain ?

not on topic but i've bought a few sat mags and i don't know anything about them. I used to have an old analogue receiver and 2 lnbs back in the good old days when astra was 4 satellites on the same orbit and everything was for free, MTV just launched in europe and sky movies was called premiere had cable before that when sky consisted of 1 channel. lol

Was that the Royal "we"? I have heard of some interesting reasons why we should have censorship, but censorship to promote a hobby is a new one on me. Perhaps there are a lot of enthusiasts here but spare a thought for the rest of us! Why should you have to be a sat TV enthusiast to watch hardcore? I would agree with you regarding Merdoc and Sky but censorship is not the proper method of control. Ofcom should seriously look at breaking up Skys monoploy of the satellite airwaves.

There is a thread running in this section by pornlover, read it and see how hard it is to subscribe to one of the foreign HC channels.

Most kids know more about our Digiboxes then we do, so I still feel it would be all too easy for them to access a HC channel on a Digibox.

Also if just one of these SC channels goes HC, they will ALL have to, nobody will watch SC when the next channel in the EPG is showing HC.
I still stand by my statement ….That I hope things stay just as they are, and no HC is available on home TV.

There is more than enough HC on hotbird 13E to keep everyone happy, you just need to work to get it. As for being foreign, I do not think this is true, Spice Platinum is owned by the Adult Channel. They show the same movies the Adult Channel only the explicit stuff is left in.

It is easy to say that the regulators are infringing on my RIGHT to view HC if I wish to do so. They might say that in their view controls on the Continent are far to liberal ( French, Dutch, Spanish ) and this is GB after all. I say all you need to do for HC is pick up the phone and be prepared to do a little leg work, that may be beyond the average teenager.

"Most kids know more about our Digiboxes then we do"

No I don’t think so Razor. Firstly the broadcasters should be forced to get proof of age such as paying by credit card. Then there’s the PIN, if you don’t tell them the PIN they won’t be able to access the service. It’s as simple as that. Of course if you do then they will. The same also applies to foreign services and R18 video - if you don’t keep them locked away then the kids will see them. Do you realy believe that kids subscribe to adults channels without their parents knowledge?

"Also if just one of these SC channels goes HC, they will ALL have to"
True. The reason is that is what people want to watch. So why not let people watch what they want?

"the Continent are far to liberal ( French, Dutch, Spanish )"
Yes the French, Dutch, Spanish, Danish, Belgian, Portuguese, Greek, Polish, Italian and Swedish regulators must all be wrong far too liberal - thank God we have Mediawatch and the jolly old British Government to protect us from sin. What a splendid job they do

if Mediawatch was to allow HC as FTA and i were to watch it i certainly would not say that i watch it because Mediawatch allows it but i would say i watch it because i choose to watch it and i would take full responsibility of my choice.

it's a shame paul that censor groups have not learnt a lesson from what is happening in 3rd world countries. there they have very strict censorship codes (iam not going into the reasons for that) but people still see what they want to. what is happening is that they get all their HC from pirated DVDs and Videos leading to a massive boom in piracy. now i am talking big money witha a turn over to the tune of millions of pounds annually and there is nothing that the censor groups can do there. this is cutting massively into the genuine companies dishing out HC to make a decent profit in a legal way. the analogy i am trying to draw is that we are paying foreign companies money right now to watch HC and as i gather by the threads in this forum more and more people and following suit. if uk censorship codes allowed HC selectively then this money would have remained in the UK and at the same time made life a lot easier for everybody. tell me if i am wrong.

Well I have to say that although I have mixed feelings on this subject, I will admit however that our close european neighbours dont seem to have the scale of child abduction as we do here, perhaps legalised porn could be a good thing in one way to eliminate these sick needs!

Paul, as a "hardened" porn expert like myself, (ha ha ha); you would no doubt appreciate some of the more extreme material available on european satellite channels, with a surprisingly inexpensive system (when compared with the cost of a stack of over-censored & over-priced R18 DVD's) As far as i am aware, there are a few dedicated channels offering more extreme content on non-Sky digital satellite, the others can surprise you sometimes though, so get yourself "porned up" with a fairly basic system, m8.