sky cowboys

tesy · 27-12-2007

Just been over to my mums to sort out a bl--dy sky instaler . The pig was instaling sky to one of my mums neighbours so insted of putting up a dish he pulls my mums lnb out and replaces it with dual output lnb and feeds it into next doors flat , the first thing my mum knows about it is when the tv goes blank . So she looks out the window only to find this d--k with a cable in his hand , he then disapears next door without a word.
luckly I live close to hand so shot over there and had a few words with him like what the f---k is going on.
His excuse that the council was on his back about too many dishes going up and they were watching him

**Analoguesat** · 27-12-2007

Get onto Sky customer services and complain about the shoddy practises of their subby installers. He was probably running behind on his installs that day and took the quick route rather than the correct way of doing things to install the extra dish.

As the dish is on your mums property you are quite within your rights to disconnect the second cable!

tesy · 27-12-2007

Sounds like a good idea , Talk about bl--dy cheek and I have just rememberd he still has my mums(who is 75 by the way) lnb the ba----d a cowboy and a robber

***BonceChops*** · 27-12-2007

That is unbelievable, the cheeky so and so

***pgh13*** · 28-12-2007

Potentially dangerous I would have thought; there's no guarantee the 2 premises are on the same phase supply

**moosegoose** · 28-12-2007

could you explain why pgh13 i have shared dihes before with owners consent.with no problems.

**rolfw** · 28-12-2007

The potential between tw phases is 400+ volts, the LNB feeds in these circumstances should be earth bonded, so that any dangerous voltages go to earth.

All multi user systems in apartment blocks have to be earth bonded for the above reason.

Having said that, many people share LNBs and aerial feeds without bonding and I have never heard of an accident caused by this, it is nonetheless potentially dangerous.

I would disconnect the other feed, he had no right to touch your Mum's dish, it does not belong to Sky.

koansrc · 28-12-2007

I think a lawyer would enjoy sinking his/her teeth into something like this. Trespassing comes to mind alongside theft and who knows what else. Don't forget to get the neighbours on your side too. They are probably also assuming they have their own sky dish and lnb.

As for the admitedly ugly dishes sticking out all over the place, part of the problem is that the installers will always install in the easiest position. There may well be other less obvious positions for a dish.

**dasteelman** · 28-12-2007

it happens quiet regular this practice.

happened a few times in my street

tesy · 03-01-2008

Have now got sky to disconect my mums neighbours feed from her dish and return her equipment to as it was and next door now have there own dish.
The guys who did the work said that it was a right mess before.

***Yeshi*** · 03-01-2008

Ive done this on installs , dont see the problem.. bearing in mind i only did it on extreme circumstances... ie no line of sight... but on this occasion the owners rents live 10 doors down... there was no Cable and had 60ft trees in his way.. it was lucky his rents had the end house as they had los... we down however have to drop the cable in the gutter and did my speciality on that.. i call it whipping.. 1 person holds the cable one side and i whip it into the gutter on the other..

That wasnt an ideal install but it had to be done..

**jimbo** · 03-01-2008

Tesy

Didn't the neighbours wonder where their dish was going to be sited when the sub arrived??

Like ..... "where's the dish".

**v9oly** · 04-01-2008

Originally Posted by rolfw

The potential between tw phases is 400+ volts, the LNB feeds in these circumstances should be earth bonded, so that any dangerous voltages go to earth.

All multi user systems in apartment blocks have to be earth bonded for the above reason.

Having said that, many people share LNBs and aerial feeds without bonding and I have never heard of an accident caused by this, it is nonetheless potentially dangerous.

I would disconnect the other feed, he had no right to touch your Mum's dish, it does not belong to Sky.

The potential is 400v+ between phases when the phases are at 230v, is the lnb voltage is about 50V? Would be interesting to know what the voltage across the two lnbs was (assuming different phases), I'm sure it would still be considered potentially lethal as anything over 50V is.

All the best,
Ollie

**rolfw** · 04-01-2008

It isn't to do with the LNB voltage, but if for some reason full mains voltage is passed up the coax cable due to an equipment fault.

**v9oly** · 04-01-2008

Hi Rolf,
Wouldn't fancy being on the end of that regardless of three or single phase

Regards,
Ollie.

**Robbo** · 04-01-2008

Originally Posted by v9oly

Hi Rolf,
Wouldn't fancy being on the end of that regardless of three or single phase

Regards,
Ollie.

Yes, One phase does hurt a bit

, I 've touched the live wire many a time when I was a kid. ( I used to wire things up. LOL) Two phases however, is rather more dangerous, and it is important that you can't touch both of them at the same time.

Scott Nelson · 04-01-2008

Originally Posted by dasteelman

it happens quiet regular this practice.

happened a few times in my street

Agreed. I've known this kind of practise to happen in apartment blocks not far from me.

karat · 04-01-2008

stick lnb's to street signs, there's to many of them. kill 2 birds with 1 stone, those nice round ones? could also try lnb's to speed cameras, make them more usefull.

**aba** · 04-01-2008

Originally Posted by Yeshi

Ive done this on installs , dont see the problem.. bearing in mind i only did it on extreme circumstances... ie no line of sight... but on this occasion the owners rents live 10 doors down... there was no Cable and had 60ft trees in his way.. it was lucky his rents had the end house as they had los... we down however have to drop the cable in the gutter and did my speciality on that.. i call it whipping.. 1 person holds the cable one side and i whip it into the gutter on the other.. That wasnt an ideal install but it had to be done..

i take it you left the coax in the gutter
all i can say is im glad you dont work for me
ive been fitting satellite dishes for over 25 years and not once have i laid coax in the gutter

koansrc · 05-01-2008

As for the actual thread, my 2 cents worth is this : 1) On large appartment blocks it is obligatory that there is one central aerial for TV and not a bunch of them 2) Dishes sticking out all over the place are ugly. Combining the two points, I think it might actually be a good idea to combine as many TVs onto as few dishes as possible, BUT with the owners consent and with the necessary safety precautions. Also new builds could cater for one single point of distribution of all "common" forms of broadcast with pre-installed wiring.

Cables in gutters ? Gutters that usually have moss and permanent moisture ? I guess it's perfect if you're looking for a quick and dirty solution .. .. .. you could even get entry into the house without drilling by coming up through the drains .. .. ..

**Robbo** · 05-01-2008

All off topic confessions posts are now here:-

Dodgy Installer and related confessions

Lets keep all the confessions etc in the new thread.
Robbo

**Channel Hopper** · 05-01-2008

Originally Posted by koansrc

As for the actual thread, my 2 cents worth is this : 1) On large appartment blocks it is obligatory that there is one central aerial for TV and not a bunch of them 2) Dishes sticking out all over the place are ugly. Combining the two points, I think it might actually be a good idea to combine as many TVs onto as few dishes as possible, BUT with the owners consent and with the necessary safety precautions. Also new builds could cater for one single point of distribution of all "common" forms of broadcast with pre-installed wiring.

Cables in gutters ? Gutters that usually have moss and permanent moisture ? I guess it's perfect if you're looking for a quick and dirty solution .. .. .. you could even get entry into the house without drilling by coming up through the drains .. .. ..

In an apartment block, the chances of different phase supplies are miniscule, but even so, it should be checked. Best bet is to wire in the same way as the SMATV/CATV system, and then at least you can claim to have followed the procedures.

As for gutter running, with solid dielectric cable, I can't see any real issues unless the gutter is about to be replaced, or the house has no neat way of running exposed cable round/down it (anyone here tried clipping a neat vertical path down pebble-dashing ?)

Sometimes the only option is to throw a cable over a pitched roof, and I know which one I would prefer.

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