Vote now - 1W C*nax key changes

**BGonaSTICK** · 27-11-2004

If Canal Digital continue to make frequent key changes (say every three days) on their C*nax encryption system, what would you do?

***twag42*** · 27-11-2004

i think its just a pain in the arse having to keep changing files,but its better than having to pay for it.so as far as im concerned the person/s responsible are just wasting their time as much as they are wasting ours.

TWAG

***Lancelot*** · 27-11-2004

This is what it's all about surely..

This is a fantastic HOBBY and the thrill of the chase is all part of it.
there are some who think that this a substitute for subscription
(as we see daily by the requests on this board)
these people are missing the whole point of the exercise and are
destined not to enjoy it to the full because of that. (good grief listen to me !!)
If there are any structured arguments against this
Then let's Av EM

L

**Llew** · 27-11-2004

Originally Posted by BGonaSTICK

If Canal Digital continue to make frequent key changes (say every three days) on their C*nax encryption system, what would you do?

BG, I think you knew which way this poll was going

Not much else around to exercise our minds with, is there?

Llew

**BGonaSTICK** · 28-11-2004

It'll be interesting to see how opinion changes over time... depending on what happens of course.

***twag42*** · 28-11-2004

as long as i can find footy for free,then i dont mind doing whatever it takes.god help if the day comes when i have no other option but to buy a subscription :-(

TWAG

**john_graydon** · 29-11-2004

Originally Posted by Lancelot

This is what it's all about surely..

This is a fantastic HOBBY and the thrill of the chase is all part of it.
there are some who think that this a substitute for subscription
(as we see daily by the requests on this board)
these people are missing the whole point of the exercise and are
destined not to enjoy it to the full because of that. (good grief listen to me !!)
If there are any structured arguments against this
Then let's Av EM

L

Totally agree with ya Lancelot. Great HOBBY..

***closetosoton*** · 29-11-2004

I've been watching the forums closely over the past few weeks, it amazes me how many new comers appeared over-night (with only 1 or 2 posts to their name) after TPS introduced changes to their encryption asking for keys and the like... that's not really playing the game at all: seek, search, learn, read and share... that's the way it should be.

-CTS

**rolfw** · 29-11-2004

Originally Posted by closetosoton

I've been watching the forums closely over the past few weeks, it amazes me how many new comers appeared over-night (with only 1 or 2 posts to their name) after TPS introduced changes to their encryption asking for keys and the like... that's not really playing the game at all: seek, search, learn, read and share... that's the way it should be.

-CTS

In an ideal world, that's how it would be CTS, but unfortunately, we have what we have.

***loftyj*** · 29-11-2004

It all makes work for the working man to do, and keeps all the members that like watching 22 men trying to pull each others shirts off, OH!!, and sometimes running after a round ball happy.

**coconut** · 30-11-2004

In our area, it do happen already and it change more often then you through.

in Nagra, one provider change their key twice aday, morning when they back to office and afternoon before they have their afternoon tea. another provider start changing key every two hours from morning till midnight.

in via2. one provider change their key for/backward on key08/key09 or 0A every 30 seconds.

hope you won't face the situations like us.

regards

**bobnuts1** · 30-11-2004

Originally Posted by Lancelot

This is what it's all about surely..

This is a fantastic HOBBY and the thrill of the chase is all part of it.

I read somewhere that the c0n@x system can only support a limited number of keys and are now repeating previous keys in a cyclic fashion. So, over the past few days I have been wondering if the software guru's would be able to modify the cam software to detect the current key and then scan through a softcam key file looking for the mod and exp for that particular key number whilst ignoring all others.

btw I use softcam s2emu and am very new to this "sport" this being my first key chase so I may be talking rubbish.

Rgds

Richard

**BGonaSTICK** · 30-11-2004

Originally Posted by bobnuts1

I read somewhere that the c0n@x system can only support a limited number of keys and are now repeating previous keys in a cyclic fashion. So, over the past few days I have been wondering if the software guru's would be able to modify the cam software to detect the current key and then scan through a softcam key file looking for the mod and exp for that particular key number whilst ignoring all others.

btw I use softcam s2emu and am very new to this "sport" this being my first key chase so I may be talking rubbish.

Rgds

Richard

Nope, you're bang on. I thought about writing something to do this, but I think it would be a waste of time. You'll know which key is in use (from the S2emu 'info' dialogue), so just comment used keys out and uncomment them quickly to test if it works again. You'll only have to keep say three of each.

**sligoman** · 01-12-2004

Well this is what the hobby is all about

Sligoman

***Lancelot*** · 02-12-2004

@ Stick

Hi mate - I remember (not so many years ago) just updating a single key in Sftcam.K
But not deleting the old one so there would be several 0A's or whatever was the case. As Sftcam.K can carry may of these (1028 ?) what is the real disadvantage of a phat file with the current speed of processors and associated
H/W.
Just thought that if the providers are running out of options and are getting 'jiggy with it' as Telenor seem to be then adding and not changing, would appear a good option.

Feelings ??

L

**BGonaSTICK** · 02-12-2004

I would agree if the bl

dy thing didn't keep failing when you have duplicate keyset ID's!

Well that's not completely true, but with the C*nax keys, even if you have say 1 x key20, and 1 x key21 you can sometimes get an 'invalid sig' on the current key until you delete the OTHER key!

I've tried playing around with hex editors and control chars, but to no avail.

Crazy programmers...

doorman · 23-12-2004

m 11 is great but is autoupdating not possible

**BGonaSTICK** · 23-12-2004

No it's not. AFAIK TeamPDK have not released enough code for an AU routine to be written. They'd rather make some more money from selling MII cards for some reason. It's entirely feasable though.

Think there's just been a nano change as well, so probably no C*nax for Chrimbo.

Have a feeling in my water about an S2 release though. Tit, S2emu and NewcamD would be nice.

**Mr Amit** · 01-01-2005

I am happy that they change keys.
It would be boring and kindof scary if they did not.

View Poll Results: 1W C*nax key changes every 3 days. Would you...
Try and keep up with key changes manually	136	71.20%
Get fed up & buy a card, as files are released quicker	17	8.90%
Forget 1W and go elsewhere for your telly	15	7.85%
Nothing - you don't view 1W	23	12.04%
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