dish pointing problem

bobshell

hi,im having problems aligning my dish to eutelsat w2 16*,i was picking up hotbird for the last few mths and tried to change it.....
evrything ive read about this starts off with pointing the dish with a compass,now this may sound stupid but how do you do this...everytime i go up the ladder the compass always points differently to when im on the ground....
i would be grateful for any tips as im tearing my hair out evry night trying to do this........
thanks

rolfw

Please try and post in a relevant forum bobshell, this is not a Football News feed.

Moving it to Dish setup section.

To answer your question though, don't start messing about with a compass, your were only 3 degrees away from the satellite when pointing at Hotbird.

All you need to do is very slowly move the dish in small increments to the East and slightly downwards, but only very slightly, while watching your signal meter on the receiver.

You will need to make sure that it is set to a frequency on 16 E which you can receive well. 11011 Vertical 27500 3/4 is a good one.

Full channel list here

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bobshell

sorry mate,this is my first post and ive no idea how it got in the football feed...

bobshell

thanks for the advice but the problem is ive already lost hotbird as ive been moving the dish around,so basically im lost
cheers

Park Royal

16east, quite close to the sun's position just before 12noon BST, 11am GMT is a starting point for you.
Parky
Or you could take a look here
_http://www.dishpointer.com/
Parky.

bobshell

hi,ive managed to find hotbird again but can only get 54% quality on the signal but i cant find no signal for eutelsat w2...
Ive no idea where im going wrong,any advice wil be gratefully received..thanks

rolfw

It'll be worth your while to invest a few pounds on a cheap satbeeper meter or similar, then at least you'll have an instant indication of when you hit another satellite.

16E is only 3 degrees away from Hotbird, so only very small adjustments must be made. If the dish is anything other than in perfect condition (not bent or warped), you will have real difficulty on finding a satellite sandwiched between two very strong satellites.

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bobshell

ive tried using a satbeeper with no luck,if i follow the audible tone it just takes me back to hotbird,its as if eutelsat doesnt exist..
thanks

rolfw

If you scribe on the pole where Hotbird is, then move the dish until you find Astra 1 and 19.2 East, and scribe the pole, 16 east will be almost exactly half way between.

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bobshell

hi,thanks for the advice,ive found hotbird and astra 1 and marked them on the pole but i still cannot pick up any sort of signal in between....the quality bar does not even move!!

bobshell

has anyone any idea why i cant receive a signal between astr1 and hotbird..do i need a bigger dish?...
im using a 80cm dish...
thanks

Topper

In my opinion (others may disagree) 80cm is too small for 16East in cloudy weather when the dish and lnb probably have not been successfully fine tuned

What frequency are you tuned to to try and get something?

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bobshell

hi,my receiver only lets me set it to certain frequencys unless there is another way of manually setting them...........

rolfw

The technomate should let you select which transponder frequency to scan, you should be able to either click on it for a drop down menu, or use the left/right buttons to select.

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bobshell

ive managed to change the transponder frequency to 11449,27500,7/8h which is the setting for the digitalb sports channels and ive been trying for over an hour now and i cant find any trace of a signal whatsoever from eutelsat w2...

rolfw

Don't know what to suggest, you should be able to pick it up with an 80cm, that is what I am using in Berkshire.

Unfortunately receiver gauges are not very responsive, whereas the spectrum on my meter responds immediately, I presume that you are adjsuting the elevation of the dish as well, as it should be lower than Hotbird and higher than Astra, but not by much.

Is your dish in good condition?

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bobshell

the dish seems fine to me,its only just a year old,ive tried moving up and down as well...
should i just get a bigger dish and try that?

Mickha

16E is not as powerful as 19E and 13E so it takes a lot of patience to lock onto a signal.
If the weather is good you shoulg be able to get a signal with an 80cm dish.
Try tuning your receiver to 11304 V 30000 as there are a few channels, FTA, with quite a good signal, you can find full channel details here:
_http://www.lyngsat.com/ew2.html
The key is to be patient and gently adjust the dish until you get a signal.
Good luck.

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rolfw

The bigger the dish the better and not purely to pull in a stronger signal. The bigger dish has a tighter focus, so it is less affected by neighbouring satellite signals and easier to isolate 16E.

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bobshell

thanks for all the advice,im gonna try my luck agin with the 80cm dish and if no joy then ill get a bigger dish and hope that works....

bobshell

thanks for all your advice,im gonna play around with the 80cm dish for a few more days before i get a bigger dish and hopefully i might be able to pick the signal up....

andyw37

I have installed a good 200 of these dishes. So [i] hope the following helps :

1. DISH - I only use 90cm ie 88 TDA Triax, 90 cm Orbital and Raven. DO NOT USE 80cm mesh. 80 cm will work ( what make do you have) but often requires a meter.


2. DAMAGE TO DISH - Any dent in the dish will GREATLY aggrevate your alignment. Check dish by looking at and aligning the horizontal and vertical edges together by sight, all edges should be straight. If they do not align take off LNB arm. Drop dish face down on a flat surface a few times ( garage floor etc )This will remove any warps. I useley spin as I drop.

3. LNB - Use a good quality one ( not any Sky type). As you look at the dish the cable connection to LNB should face down at 6 Oclock. LNB should be 2/3 forward in the collar. The SKEW is ifferent to Hotbird, this is vital.

3. Align dish to Hotbird.

4. Now go to your Technomate and go in to satellite installation and look at the signal strength and quality for Hotbird. Very slowly ( may mean a few trips up and down the ladder)turn the dish to the left as you look outwards from behind it. Do this until quality drops to 0%( be careful take it very slowly dropping to 10%, 7% 3% then 0%. STOP on 0%.

5. Choose satellite setup and change satellite to Eutelsat W2 and change transponder to 11449. Check the quality, if there is any quality ( BEFORE MOVING DISH AGAIN ) slowly rotate/ move LNB in the collar ( a few more visits up and down the ladder !!!) until quality level will not increase.

6. If that does not work put LNB back to 6o'clock position then move dish to left by about a cm.

7. If you do not get strength and quality repeat above 3 or 4 times after moving from Hotbird. A cheap screamer meter will do you no good.

8. Quality on 16e tp 11449 in your area should be about 78 - 85 %. I know as I have done many.

The make of your 80cm will play a huge part in this.

Good Luck.

bobshell

cheers for the advice,i followed your instructons for a good hour or so and i still cant even get a sniff of a signal,absolutely nothing....
i dont know what make the dish is but its an 80cm solid steel dish and it cost about £30 with a 0.2 lnb,could this be the problem?

andyw37

Yes I think it is the dish. I have aligned a SKY 60cm in Stoke with great results, but then again I have a meter and analyser.

Check that in the satellite setup menu the LNB is ON and DISEQC and USALS is OFF ( you could do a factory reset on the box ).

Do you get any strength and signal at all on any sat?

bobshell

hotbird i can get 60% and astra 1 goes upto 75% on this dish,i was using it for art sports last year and the pciture was fine....