Help choosing kit

loveman · 08-12-2007

Hi guys.

Have narrowed down all the kit which I think should be fine for a decent motorised system, and was just wanting to ensure that it all works fine...

Here's what I was looking to get:

Gibertini 85cm dish
Inverto Silver Tech 0.2dB Twin LNB
Super DARK MOTOR ( Metal Gear )
TM-5400CI+ USB
18 inch T&K Bracket
6ft Pole

I hope that all of this should be ok with each other? Not sure whether the 18" t&k would be enough though? As I could ideally do with it turning as much as possible, but would there be a problem with it turning right past the wall?

This will all be installed on a 3-storey house, near the top of the house, as I will need to clear all houses on either side... So I am looking at something that won't take a battering from the wind ideally!

I just wanted to also ensure that the combination of motor, lnb and dish were all suitable? I've seen mentions of 40mm and 56mm motors. Wot does this mean? The motor which I've opted for doesn't state a size, so would it be ok?

Look forward to any responses, and sorry for those who have already read this post at another forum, just that I'm trying to get as much input as poss...

Oh, and before ppl state, I would've preferred to go for a 1m dish, but should be able to get most of what I'd want with the 85cm, as heard it's a pretty decent dish. Is this lnb a good compliment? Or should I look for a different one? Also, prefer the idea of 85cm so it doesn't take too much hassle from the wind (as compared to what a 1m would take!).

Many thanks,

David

**Robbo** · 08-12-2007

Hi David,

I can't see anything wrong with that kit. As long as the Gibertini comes with a pole mount it should be OK.

The length of T&Ks you need depends on which way your wall faces.

If it faces exactly south the 12inch ones will be fine with an 85cm dish.

Just remember to get some decent ish cable too, like wf100 or wc100.

I don't know what the 40mm or 56mm means, perhaps it is the diameter or the shaft that the dish attaches too.

I assume you are getting a TWIN lnb, to attach another receiver at a later date ( only one will be able to control the motor)

Also get a decent pole, I just got one from a scaffolder for £8 for an 8 foot length, £1 a foot he quoted on the phone.

Robbo

***wod*** · 08-12-2007

that looks a good setup there a 1metre dish is better if your going to be watching digitalb but otherwise that dish will suffice

the 40mm or 56mm i think means the diameter of the motor pole

as dishes usually will pole mount on a 2 to 3 inch pole anyway

do you have some pictures of the place your intending to install the dish ?

**HB13DISH** · 09-12-2007

Hi loveman,
Please give more information about the Super DARK MOTOR (Metal Gear).
Who is the Original Manufacturer and country?
A pdf specification and some pictures, if possible. Thanks.

**Robbo** · 09-12-2007

Originally Posted by HB13DISH

Hi loveman,
Please give more information about the Super DARK MOTOR (Metal Gear).
Who is the Original Manufacturer and country?
A pdf specification and some pictures, if possible. Thanks.

I don't know about the metal geared version, but the standard ones appear to be made by powertech in China.

_http://www.powertech.tw/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=71

loveman · 09-12-2007

This is the only spec I have of it:

Protocol : DiSEqC 1.2 & Goto “X” 1.3
Compatible Receiver : Receiver with DiSEqC 1.2 or Interface Box
Antenna Size : 120 cm Max.
Speed : 1.9 / sec (at 13V) ; 2.5 / sec (at 18V)
Azimuth Angle : 80 East ~ 80 West ( 160° )
Elevation Angle : 25~75
Input Voltage : 13 / 18Vdc
Output Voltage : 13 / 18Vdc
Power Consumption : 50 mA (Standby)
200mA (Normal)
350mA (Max.)
Satellite Positions : 60 positions

Some pics of motor posted below.

Will try to get some pics of the house taken in a bit (too early and cold to go outside with the camera at the mo...).

The house does not face fully south, I would estimate that it is facing about 24* East. Hence wanting to make sure that it can turn as much as possible West...

Thanks again for the help guys...

loveman · 09-12-2007

OK, just remembered that I took some pics of the house when we were first looking at it before moved in, and that's got a pics of where was thinking of putting the dish. Was going to put it on the top floor, between the two windows up there, since that's about the only place where it will clear all the other obstacles around us...

Would've put it on the edge of the property, but the guttering will be in the way I'd think. So best putting it in between the windows.

What'd you guys think?

**Robbo** · 09-12-2007

Originally Posted by loveman

The house does not face fully south, I would estimate that it is facing about 24* East. Hence wanting to make sure that it can turn as much as possible West...

..

Assuming that your angle is accurate, with 12 inch T&Ks, you should just about be able to go up to 45 degrees west, with maybe a couple of mm spare if you are lucky, plenty of room on the eastern side obviously.

**HB13DISH** · 09-12-2007

Thanks loveman for the spec and pictures.
I have seen the same spec in *****.
Looks like the OEM packs it with the ***** logo so that they are the sole distributors. This way they can cotrol the price.
It is probably an excellent part. I just hate it when they try to sell me something with hidden information.
Try to find out about the OEM since this a cruicial component in your setup and has to be as reliable as possible. Look for any labels on the actual motor and it's parts.

**rolfw** · 09-12-2007

I would put it above the gutter line,. get youself a scaffolding tower for a weekend to set it up.

loveman · 09-12-2007

Originally Posted by rolfw

I would put it above the gutter line,. get youself a scaffolding tower for a weekend to set it up.

I'd have thought that if I put it above the gutter line, then that would make it more vulnerable to high winds? And since we've had a lot of those over the last few days, not really wanting to get any problems in the future with it...

Originally Posted by HB13DISH

Thanks loveman for the spec and pictures.
I have seen the same spec in *****.
Looks like the OEM packs it with the ***** logo so that they are the sole distributors. This way they can cotrol the price.
It is probably an excellent part. I just hate it when they try to sell me something with hidden information.
Try to find out about the OEM since this a cruicial component in your setup and has to be as reliable as possible. Look for any labels on the actual motor and it's parts.

I haven't actually got the motor yet, they're just the pictures I found on the ***** website, so don't really know who the oem would be?! Could be that it's branded for other shops, but I dunno. Will try to search around, but doubt i'll be able to find anything

[Edit]
Looking around the net, found another post on the ***** website, which says this:

Originally Posted by *****

Soon in the Market will be Super DarkMotor -Metal Gear.

This motor will support more weight and will be one of the leaders of all factory motors after ***** puting a lot of imput.

DARK Motor will be the best better of Stab factory in Italia and Moteck of Taiwan and Slovenian cheap motor is well.

This is after serious business made by ***** and the Factory where now ***** is the main shareholder! More development is underway with many offers and products to follow in the near future.

So looks like it might be an ***** only product?!

**rolfw** · 09-12-2007

Originally Posted by loveman

I'd have thought that if I put it above the gutter line, then that would make it more vulnerable to high winds? And since we've had a lot of those over the last few days, not really wanting to get any problems in the future with it...

Yes, it will make it a little more exposed, but really depends on whether you want the full arc or not. Mine sits above the roof line and has done for the past four years, if you were going for bigger than 85cm I would be more concerned, but if you put it up well it shouldn't be a problem.

**HB13DISH** · 09-12-2007

Quote: Originally Posted by ***** Soon in the Market will be Super DarkMotor -Metal Gear.

This motor will support more weight and will be one of the leaders of all factory motors after ***** puting a lot of imput.

DARK Motor will be the best better of Stab factory in Italia and Moteck of Taiwan and Slovenian cheap motor is well.

This is after serious business made by ***** and the Factory where now ***** is the main shareholder! More development is underway with many offers and products to follow in the near future.

This makes me even more cautious about buying such a motor.
It could be a new Chinese manufacturer which hasn't got the years of experience and knowhow that Moteck and STAB have.
If ***** is a main shareholder then it just shows how small this factory is.
I suggest that you would play it safe and buy what the other members recommend.
There are a lot of threads about motors. Spend some time reading them first before ordering.

***wod*** · 09-12-2007

i would agree with rolfw and put it that high but is a diseqc motor going to last up there as that is pretty high up

where i'd suggest the 36volt 12"inch actuator on the polar mount option instead maybe ?

is there any houses to the right in that picture how far up do they have the dish ?

loveman · 09-12-2007

From that photo, there are houses to the left, behind and right. Hence the need to go so far up. One problem I didn't want to use a 36v, is that the installation company had given me a quote based upon just a diseqc motor, and will probably go higher (maybe a lot higher, who knows) to install the 36v.

Say I went for the actuator and polar mount, is that all I'd need (as well as the vbox)? Can you recommend a 36v actuator? Not sure which would be a good choice? If I went for a 36v actuator, and got the vbox, would this work with USALS, or would it just work with diseqc commands? How well does this all communicate between the tm5400?? Also, which would be a good vbox (or equivalent)?

Also, what's the difference between a c120lnb and a universal lnb? I'd need a c120 feed horn for the gibertini would I not? Would this be better than the Inverto silvertech 0.2db?

Thanks for the help...

**Robbo** · 09-12-2007

You can also get 36V H-H mounts, like the Jaeger 99G.

I was under the impression that with the actuator you cannot do the full arc.

I'm pretty sure that you can't do USALS with the V-box, as it would need to do Goto X.

The C120 is the mount type. The LNB itself is still universal. The C120 types have a separate feedhorn, and would require a c120 type mount on the dish.

Whether it would be worth it for such a small dish, I doubt, but one of the dish experts would be able to advise you on that.

***wod*** · 10-12-2007

Originally Posted by Robbo71

You can also get 36V H-H mounts, like the Jaeger 99G.

I was under the impression that with the actuator you cannot do the full arc.

I'm pretty sure that you can't do USALS with the V-box, as it would need to do Goto X.

The C120 is the mount type. The LNB itself is still universal. The C120 types have a separate feedhorn, and would require a c120 type mount on the dish.

Whether it would be worth it for such a small dish, I doubt, but one of the dish experts would be able to advise you on that.

yes you can't do the full arc unless the actuator is larger than normal but 12" inch should be fine for a 85cm dish

i have the jaeger smr 99 36volt motor and going to fit it to my dish soon

you are correct the vbox only does diseqc 1.2 in auto mode with the receiver

on the lnb just use a sharp or smart titanium lnb on it as the gibertini feedhorn wont make much difference on that size dish

***nanochickin*** · 10-12-2007

I can recommend the Moteck SG2100a H-H DISEqC motor. Mine has worked without fault for the last 9 months even under some rather strong winds which has badly flexed the 90cm dish connected to it

Fortunately its always flexed back

Mind you though its getting a bit of a slapping this evening

Nano

loveman · 10-12-2007

Just another quick query, looking around for some t&k brackets, I've found some that are painted rather than galvanised. Would that be a problem come the weather? Or would I be better off getting some galvanised brackets?

Many thanks...

**rolfw** · 10-12-2007

Painted ones will rust very quickly and look awful, pay the little extra for galvanised ones.

I will always use galvanised brackets, unless for some reason I am unable to get the bracket I require in a galvanised version.

loveman · 10-12-2007

Cheers, thought so. Just wanted to ensure that was the case

Will have to pay extra postage to a different company now

lol

***wod*** · 11-12-2007

check to see if you have any aerial supply shops near you as they will have t&k brackets to save on postage

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