Can only get Eurobird not Astra 2A

Kilglass · 23-02-2008

I've recently purchased Sky line satelite kit with dishBSky B Digital Zone 2.
I can only pick up stations on Eurobird but am unable to get any of the BBC or ITV on Astra. I scan astra but with no success. Do I need to re-align my Dish or is the problem in setting up my Satelite receiver? I live in sligo nad would be grateful for any positive suggestions.

**Mickha** · 23-02-2008

Can you please post the channels you are receiving, name and frequency.

**rolfw** · 23-02-2008

Astra 2 and Eurobird satellites are co-located, so you shouldn't need to move your dish. Don't know your receiver, but if they have a separate listing for Astra 2 and Eurobird, then you will need to scan them both. If thst doesn't work, then you may need to add the transponder frequencies to Eurobird. You will find them here

PS. Mickha, thinks you may be on the wrong satellite and he may be right.

***wod*** · 23-02-2008

list some channels that you have picked up so we can advise further please

Kilglass · 24-02-2008

Many thanks for the reply. At the moment I am in Belfast and I will not be back in Sligo until Thursday so I cannot be exact about the programmes. However ones we are definitely receiving are Eurosport; Eurosport News; BBC World and Aljazeera. The rest of the free channels are all non-English speaking and there are many of them. I have of coursed scanned both Astra and Eurobird but cannot find any BBC or ITV channels. I am beginning to think I am on the wrong satellite. Sorry if I cannot be. more precise, the technology is a foreign language to me! If this is not enough information, I will get back to you again when I have more details about on the channels.

Originally Posted by rolfw

Astra 2 and Eurobird satellites are co-located, so you shouldn't need to move your dish. Don't know your receiver, but if they have a separate listing for Astra 2 and Eurobird, then you will need to scan them both. If thst doesn't work, then you may need to add the transponder frequencies to Eurobird. You will find them here

PS. Mickha, thinks you may be on the wrong satellite and he may be right.

**Analoguesat** · 24-02-2008

Id agree with the others and say you are on the wrong satellite cluster

If you have a lot of German channels then you are on Astra 1 at 19E, lots of Italian & Arbic services - Hotbird at 13E

Easily done - and easily fixed

Kilglass · 25-02-2008

Many thanks for the suggestion. I hope 'easily fixed' is just that to someone not particularly technical! Am I really that far off line?
Regards

Originally Posted by Analoguesat

Id agree with the others and say you are on the wrong satellite cluster

If you have a lot of German channels then you are on Astra 1 at 19E, lots of Italian & Arbic services - Hotbird at 13E

Easily done - and easily fixed

**rolfw** · 25-02-2008

Yes, you are either on Astra 19.2, 9 degrees away, or Hotbird 13 East, 15 degrees away. If you list some of the other channels, then we can tell you for sure, as the ones you list are on both satellites.

Re-aligning to Astr 28.2 from there is not that difficult, but needs to be done slowly with an eye on the signal strength and quality on the receiver.

**Analoguesat** · 25-02-2008

Depending on which sat you are on its a case of slacking off the nuts that hold the dish in place and swivelling the dish 2-3 inches to the right as you are facing it, and dropping the lnb half an inch or so

Kilglass · 26-02-2008

Many thanks for all your suggestions. I will try to make the adjustments at the weekend and get back to you.

Originally Posted by Analoguesat

Depending on which sat you are on its a case of slacking off the nuts that hold the dish in place and swivelling the dish 2-3 inches to the right as you are facing it, and dropping the lnb half an inch or so

Kilglass · 28-03-2008

I contacted the forum some time ago about my problem with satellite reception.I have a cottage in Sligo Ireland and have just returned. Basically I can get Eurobird but not Astra 2., even thought here is only .5degrees of a difference. I have tried moving it mm at a time, but no luck.
No matter how hard I try I cannot get any stations on Astra 2, at least not the popular BBC and ITV etc. ones. In fact the only ones I can get on Astra2. are at the last ones a long list of channels:

1566 Phoenix
1565 Arte
1564 Eins Plus
1563 Eins Festival
1562 Eins Extra

Strangely enough they are also on the end of the Eurobird list of channels.

909 Phoenix
908 Arte
907 Eins Plus
906 Eins Festival
905 Fins Extra

I have the elevation at 50%. and, I don’t know how significant it may be, but there is a tree in the way. However, it doesn’t interfere with Eurobird.
Have you any more suggestions? It is a topic of great conversation in the local village pub where everybody has a theory - and many of them use the same Sat dish and get all the stations.
Regards

Kilglass · 28-03-2008

Originally Posted by wod

list some channels that you have picked up so we can advise further please

I contacted the forum some time ago about my problem with satelite reception.I have a cottage in Sligo Ireland and have just returned. Basically I can get Eurobird but not Astra 2., even thought here is only .5degrees of a difference. I have tried moving it mm at a time, but no luck.
No matter how hard I try I cannot get any stations on Astra 2, at least not the popular BBC and ITV etc. ones. In fact the only ones I can get on Astra2. are at the last ones a long list of channels:

1566 Phoenix
1565 Arte
1564 Eins Plus
1563 Eins Festival
1562 Eins Extra

Strangely enough they are also on the end of the Eurobird list of channels.

909 Phoenix
908 Arte
907 Eins Plus
906 Eins Festival
905 Fins Extra

I have the elevation at 50%. and, I don’t know how significant it may be, but there is a tree in the way. However, it doesn’t interfere with Eurobird.
Have you any more suggestions? It is a topic of great conversation in the local village pub where everybody has a theory - and many of them use the same Sat dish and get all the stations.
Regards

**satelliteman** · 28-03-2008

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Assuming you are locked on Eurobird, and you haven't got Astra 2 in your sat list you can do the following. Incidentally, it's only 0.3 deg separation co-located with Astra 2 as already discussed.

You could try and add the following transponders and then scan:

10714 H 22000 5/6
10758 V 22000 5/6
10773 H 22000 5/6
10788 V 22000 5/6
10906 V 22000 5/6

**bigtee** · 28-03-2008

If you are getting the Eins channels, that means you are on Astra 1, whereas you need Astra 2. Standing behind the dish, you need to move the dish about 1 inch to the left. For the moment you can leave the elevation as it is; when you move the dish to the left and get Astra 2 definitely, you can then adjust the elevation for optimal signal quality.

PS ignore that your receiver currently suggests that you are on Astra2/Eurobird 1; this occurs because different satellites use similar/identical frequencies. As they say, seeing is believing and only when your receiver shows Astra 2 channels (as in the link in the list below) should you believe it.

http://flysat.com/28east.php

Kilglass · 28-03-2008

Thanks for the useful information. Does that mean that even though I am getting all Eurobird channels I am not on Eurobird but Astra one. Astra 1 only ofers a few channels. and I used a compass to find the correct bearing. Sorry if I am not explaining this very well!
Thanks again

Originally Posted by bigtee

If you are getting the Eins channels, that means you are on Astra 1, whereas you need Astra 2. Standing behind the dish, you need to move the dish about 1 inch to the left. For the moment you can leave the elevation as it is; when you move the dish to the left and get Astra 2 definitely, you can then adjust the elevation for optimal signal quality.

PS ignore that your receiver currently suggests that you are on Astra2/Eurobird 1; this occurs because different satellites use similar/identical frequencies. As they say, seeing is believing and only when your receiver shows Astra 2 channels (as in the link in the list below) should you believe it.

http://flysat.com/28east.php

**bigtee** · 28-03-2008

The Eins channels are not Eurobird 1 channels; the receiver just thinks they are simply because Eurobird 1 and Astra 1 use similar transponders. If you look in the list in the earlier link, you will see the Eurobird 1/Astra 2 channels; if you look in the list in this link http://flysat.com/astra19.php which is for Astra 1, you will see some of the Eins channels under 12110H.

As for use of compass, the difference between 28e (Astra 2/Eurobird 1) and 19e (Astra 1) on the ground is minimal whereas it is crucial for the reception of the right satellite.

**rolfw** · 28-03-2008

You are not getting any Eurobird channels, in fact after looking at the channels you are receiving, you could be on Astra 23.5 http://www.lyngsat.com/astra23.html http://www.lyngsat.com/packages/kabel.html, This may account for you not getting many channels when you scan Astra 1.

To check this out, do a scan on Astra 23.5 East and see if you pull in a lot more channels.

You need to reset your receiver, then bring up Astra2 in your satellite menu and move the dish a few degrees East.

**satelliteman** · 28-03-2008

You could then:

Select or input 10773 H 22000 5/6 and see what you get.

When you are on Astra 2, you will get BBC 1 London etc...

**bigtee** · 28-03-2008

Ah, I forgot about 23e! Still it means that the movement of the dish to 28e should be a very very small one; and moreso that there is probably no urgent need to adjust elevation.

Kilglass · 28-03-2008

Thanks again for that explanation. I'll try as you suggest, put the satellite finder on and move it one inch. I take it the tree doesn't enter into the equation!
Will I leave the elevation as it is?
Regards

Originally Posted by bigtee

The Eins channels are not Eurobird 1 channels; the receiver just thinks they are simply because Eurobird 1 and Astra 1 use similar transponders. If you look in the list in the earlier link, you will see the Eurobird 1/Astra 2 channels; if you look in the list in this link http://flysat.com/astra19.php which is for Astra 1, you will see some of the Eins channels under 12110H.

As for use of compass, the difference between 28e (Astra 2/Eurobird 1) and 19e (Astra 1) on the ground is minimal whereas it is crucial for the reception of the right satellite.

Kilglass · 28-03-2008

Thanks a million for that . I'm not exactly sure how to do as you suggest but I will consult the user manual for the receiver and take it from there.
Thanks again.
Regards

Originally Posted by satelliteman

Assuming you are locked on Eurobird, and you haven't got Astra 2 in your sat list you can do the following. Incidentally, it's only 0.3 deg separation co-located with Astra 2 as already discussed.

You could try and add the following transponders and then scan:

10714 H 22000 5/6
10758 V 22000 5/6
10773 H 22000 5/6
10788 V 22000 5/6
10906 V 22000 5/6

Strat · 15-08-2008

I'm following this thread with particular interest because I have a very similar problem.
The only thing I don't know so far is did any of the excellent offered solutions fix his problem?

Strat (complete newby)

PS Totally new to this forum and I've noticed that some of the smilies would never get a look in on the Plusnet forum where I'm a regular.

**Mickha** · 15-08-2008

Hi Strat,
welcome to the forum.
As mentioned, in the thread, the dish was aligned to the wrong satellite hence the problem picking up the required channels.
You state you have a similar problem, can you please provide a few more details, especialy what channels you're trying to get and what channels you are currently receiving.
I noticed you have the Fortec Passion+, you might want to look at other threads posted regarding your receiver, either use the search option at the top of the page or have a read through the fortec Star HD section:
http://www.satellites.co.uk/satellite/fortecstar-hd/

Have you updated the official firmware on your receiver?

Strat · 15-08-2008

Hi Mickha
The channels I am after are the standard terrestrial ones like BBC1, ITV at present which would be a good start.

On channel 1 I have BBC HD but no signal. If I run up the channels there is no signal until I get to 11 ITV2+1 with "No Video and Audio" on screen.
Carry on up the channels until 17 Tiny Pop. I can find this on LyngSat under Eurobird 1 @ 28.5 11642. This lead me to think I was on the wrong satellite but I understand Astra 2 and Eurobird are 'in the same part of the sky'.

Have you updated the official firmware on your receiver?

Yes I have and I believe I should add 'unfortunately' as I read there is a bug in it. If it was windows driven I would probably roll back however...

Thanks for your help so far

Strat · 17-08-2008

Update to my previous post. I reset the dish alignment with no improvement...
However I remade the connection at the LNB end and noticed some improvement. I did a rescan and I now have BBC, ITV etc in the list although no solid picture or audio.
I'm now suspecting the cable and will look to replace it with a better quality one.

Edit: Having read a little more of the forum I'm now looking at the LNB Skew, something I knew nothing of until 20 minutes ago.
Talk about steep learning curves...

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