Satellite System for Spanish Channels

izaceci · 02-06-2008

Hiya all, I am a newbie in this world so if you can pass me a short of a manual or email adress, will be much appreciated!!! ;0)

I live in marlborough, wiltshire SN8 2AG and I would like to get Spanish tv. What aerial size do you recommend? (I will not like to put a huge one because of the council) and if you could also tell me how I am supposed to direct it? would it do a mesh one of 45cm similar to the ones they put for sky?

million thanks!!!!

**HB13DISH** · 03-06-2008

Hi,
Your post should be in the the Dish Setup.
I will try to move it there, but if I can't then one of our kind mods will help.

**rolfw** · 03-06-2008

A 60cm dish will be ideal, point it at Hispasat 30W, to help you do this, buy a little sat-beeper meter, they are around £10.

**Robbo** · 03-06-2008

Originally Posted by izaceci

Hiya all, I am a newbie in this world so if you can pass me a short of a manual or email adress, will be much appreciated!!! ;0)
I live in marlborough, wiltshire XXXXXXXX and I would like to get Spanish tv. What aerial size do you recommend? (I will not like to put a huge one because of the council) and if you could also tell me how I am supposed to direct it? would it do a mesh one of 45cm similar to the ones they put for sky?

million thanks!!!!

Hi,

The largest choice of Free To Air Spanish channels is on Hispasat at 30 degrees West.

Have a look here:-
_http://www.flysat.com/tv-sp.php

To point a dish at Hispasat the dish will need to point approximately 30 degrees west of south. To get the dish elevation angle required use _www.dishpointer.com.

You may get away with a Zone 1 minidish for Hispasat, personally I would go with a zone 2 just to make sure. Either way the LNB may need to me modified slightly to get the Skew right for a western satellite.

First time zone 2 mini dish installation.

Robbo

**HB13DISH** · 03-06-2008

The post was originally posted in the D+ package.
I think that the o/p might also be interested in pointing to Astra 19.2E and getting a subscription.

**rolfw** · 03-06-2008

Ah, OK, in which case a zone 2 minidish will do the job admirably.

joekir · 03-06-2008

Originally Posted by izaceci

Hiya all, I am a newbie in this world so if you can pass me a short of a manual or email adress, will be much appreciated!!! ;0)

I live in marlborough, wiltshire SN8 2AG and I would like to get Spanish tv. What aerial size do you recommend? (I will not like to put a huge one because of the council) and if you could also tell me how I am supposed to direct it? would it do a mesh one of 45cm similar to the ones they put for sky?

million thanks!!!!

Hi,
This is more or less the same thing I asked when I joined the forum and I was after Hispasat. The zone 2 is now, with some help from the members here, receiving every FTA channel on hispasat at my location in NW Kent.
So maybe have a look at that thread and watch out for the advice about skew adjustment

First time zone 2 mini dish installation.

The zone 2 was OK for a beginner like me, as all the brackets, clips and LNB were included. If all you want to do is to leave it fixed onto hispasat, the zone 2 is perfect....the installation is easy and all you need after that is to plug in the receiver. Also, I don't think I would have found it so easy without a meter...but opinions vary on those. I had an old meter to use, but they can be bought on the bay for about a tenner.

As I now want to install a motor, I will be upgrading to a small high quality dish like the Fracarro or Hirschmann.

izaceci · 16-06-2008

Originally Posted by HB13DISH

Hi,
Your post should be in the the Dish Setup.
I will try to move it there, but if I can't then one of our kind mods will help.

sorry, I did not know. as I said I am a newbie and even though I have been looking for the info, sometimes is difficult to find it!

apologies!

izaceci · 16-06-2008

Originally Posted by rolfw

A 60cm dish will be ideal, point it at Hispasat 30W, to help you do this, buy a little sat-beeper meter, they are around £10.

thanks rolfw. I was actually thinking about a 80cm one to make sure as I read somewhere that would be less risky, however, a 80 is quite big, so the council might give me s***, so might put a 60 at the end if it does the job!

thanks again

izaceci · 16-06-2008

sounds good joekir, thanks!
I am still unsure about zone 1 and 2. I am also trying to get some polish tv, and I guessed with a bigger dish will do, but all these satellite thing seems to be an amazing and difficult world! I am actually starting to feel scare as I think I might not get anything at the end...

**Robbo** · 16-06-2008

The zone 2's are just a bit bigger that's all.

There's no Polish FTA on Hispasat, Hotbird (13e) looks more promising.

_http://www.flysat.com/tv-pl.php

Very soon you will need to motorise if you carry on like this.

izaceci · 17-06-2008

thank you robbo71.

You are right, actually I was thinking to do that, but how difficult will be? would I need a double LNB or with a single one will do? To be honest I am rubbish and I have nooo idea of what I am doing or what do i have to do... help, please help!!

if for the polish channels I need to orient the dish to hotbird 13e, but for the spanish i need hispasat, how do i configure the motor?

million thanks!

**satelliteman** · 17-06-2008

Take a look here for a set up guide
http://www.satellites.co.uk/satellit...pictorial.html

An 80cm with a single LNb will be fine for the two satellites you want at your location. This will give you plenty of other satellites too.

There's plenty here to help

**Robbo** · 17-06-2008

Originally Posted by izaceci

if for the polish channels I need to orient the dish to hotbird 13e, but for the spanish i need hispasat, how do i configure the motor?

Don't worry, it's all relatively simple really

The dish just swivels round automatically to the satellite needed when you change channel. (After being properly setup). The initial setup needs to be done on the satellite nearest to you due south (1W for example). After that the dish should follow the arc as it rotates, stopping where it needs to.

The Satellite Arc

izaceci · 17-06-2008

thanks!

I am going to have a look and probably will not bother you for a while,..., lets say 5 minutes? ;0) (sorry I do not even know how to make those cools smileys!)
take care!

izaceci · 17-06-2008

many thanks Robbo71.

even though you are very helpful, it seems to be getting more difficult by the minute!

I have not bought the dish, motor and lnb yet, so I guess my problems will start once I have them around...

thanks again!

**Robbo** · 17-06-2008

Originally Posted by izaceci

many thanks Robbo71.

even though you are very helpful, it seems to be getting more difficult by the minute!

I have not bought the dish, motor and lnb yet, so I guess my problems will start once I have them around...

thanks again!

Don't worry mate. It seems difficult, but it isn't really

When I first got my kit together I was a bit baffled at first, but once you have read the manual a few times and had chance to experiment a little, it gradually becomes clearer. Understand the basic principle of a motorised dish and everything else just follows.

The basic principle is, the dish is mounted on a shaft which rotates on an axis aligned to the earths polar axis. The dish then has to be tilted down towards the satelltes which are approx 22,000 miles away above the equator. ( Imagine yourself standing at the north pole and being able to rotate on the spot, looking down you can see all the sats. Now move down a bit to say the UK and do the same, but now you can only see the sats on our side of the earth)

izaceci · 17-06-2008

thanks again, and again, and again!

I am doing more research now, and seems clearer... (I think...)

another question (probably silly) If I have the motor do i need a monoblock LNB?
as the motor is supposed to move, i guess there is no need and the lnb only catches 6 degrees difference...

it took me more than 5 minutes though...

thanks!

**satelliteman** · 17-06-2008

Originally Posted by izaceci

thanks again, and again, and again!

I am doing more research now, and seems clearer... (I think...)

another question (probably silly) If I have the motor do i need a monoblock LNB?
as the motor is supposed to move, i guess there is no need and the lnb only catches 6 degrees difference...

it took me more than 5 minutes though...

thanks!

A single LNb fella

**Robbo** · 17-06-2008

No, you don't need a monoblock, that is intended for fixed dishes, to get 13E and 19E for example.

Just a single universal LNB will do fine (for now

)

( I have 3 LNBs on my motorised dish, but that's a different story

)

izaceci · 24-06-2008

good morning lovely people!
yesterday at last it arrived the dish pack and it is huge!. Anyway, after with a lot of help from my polish inlaw I finally was able to put it up.
However there is something we are doing wrong because at the moment we only can catch astra2a2b. We have been reading the instructions and to be honest they are not very helpful... Anyway, i guess now we have to try to get the final tunning and hopefully we can catch Hispasat and Hotbird

if you still have any suggestions, those will be much appreciated, if not, thanks again to those who has been helping a rookie in this fascinating world!!!

have a good day!! (i am so exciting!)

**Robbo** · 24-06-2008

Getting something is a very good start.

Have another look at rolfs guide and you can finish it off.

Just make sure that the mounting pole is 100% vertical, and you would be well on your way.

Robbo

izaceci · 26-06-2008

Hiya again

It seems that I am still doing something wrong! The motor works as the dish moves. However, even though it says we are catching some channels from hotbird and astra2a2b, I am starting to think it is not true, as I have been checking in lyngsat which channels I see with different satellites and it seems not to match 100%. Is it possible that the receiver tells you you are using a satellite being this not true?

The other thing is happening, is that even though it catched the signal satellite, once you change to another one, it seems that it looses the previous satellite, and I have to do a step by step search which I think is not normal.

To be honest I am not really sure what is wrong, as I can actually see some Spanish, polish, german, even Italian and French channels! (as far I do not change satellites)

Any ideas my friends?

Many thanks ONCE again!

**Robbo** · 26-06-2008

There are two ways to use a DiSEqC 1.2 motor, one is to use USALS an the other to use DiSEqC 1.2 by itself.

With USALS you enter your long and lat into the receiver and it will calculate how far to send the dish for each satellite and send it there.

For DiSEqC by itself, you have to go round all the sats in turn and store their positions manually. It sounds to me that you have not stored your positions correctly

I prefer USALs as it is easier and quicker, although sometimes it is necessary to adjust the positions slightly to get the best signal.

Yes, it is possible that you could be fooled into thinking that you have a particular satellite, but it is in fact a different one, as most receivers don't have the capability to know which satellite it is, as the same transponder frequencies are used over and over again on different satellites. With a motorised dish this is most likely to occur if using DiSEqC 1.2 on its own, i.e you have stored the wrong position. Again, USALS with take this doubt away, once the dish/motor have been set up properly on your reference satellite (eg Thor)

izaceci · 26-06-2008

thanks again,

I definetively have been using the DiSEqC 1.2 instead USALS. I give it a try, as you said, probably will be easier...
and hopefully I have got it!

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