Motors with metal gears?

**mick2me** · 20-09-2008

The dark Motor boasts metal gears?
But has anyone had gears fail on their motor?

I take it non metal gears are nylon or similar?

**HB13DISH** · 20-09-2008

I will consider using this motor only when I have full details about the real OEM manufacturer, their location, address and their quality control procedures.
Until then, I would stick to motors made by either Moteck or STAB, with a preference to Moteck according to the good experience by many members of this forum.

pedro2000uk · 20-09-2008

Depends what the metal is and what the plastic is ... some cheaper alloy’s mechanical characteristics are not as good as some plastic’s for that job... metal can be noisier too.. Hard plastic gears are probably better at the job at the high geared end.

Don't Satellite Superstore say Technomate are the stronger of the diseqc motors and they wont spec any others other than 36v stuff...

**satelliteman** · 20-09-2008

Some would say DiSEqC motor and 110cm is a no go especially if sited in an exposed location... although I have seen many with the Stab motor

**Robbo** · 20-09-2008

Yep, got mine 6ft off the ground on a stab 90, but have a Moteck on Standby though.

**rolfw** · 20-09-2008

Originally Posted by pedro2000uk

Don't Satellite Superstore say Technomate are the stronger of the diseqc motors and they wont spec any others other than 36v stuff...

Not sure, I've actually got a Technomate here at the moment, it is the replacement for one which didn't work properly, I had already replaced it with a Fortecstar (Moteck clone) by the time it arrived, so will try it on my next installation. It wasn't that long ago that they (satellitesuperstore) were advising people not to use DiseqC motors at all.

I still like the Moteck, as with only one exception, the brand has worked flawlessly for me. I've installed a Stab for a customer to move a Gilbertini 120cm and didn't like the backlash which appears to be a feature on all of them, but there again, I think the Gilbertini 120cm is too big for any of the current style of DiseqC motors, even with metal gearing.

pedro2000uk · 20-09-2008

Originally Posted by satelliteman

Some would say DiSEqC motor and 110cm is a no go especially if sited in an exposed location... although I have seen many with the Stab motor

I'd give STAB or Superjack a vote too on a 1.1 Triax sheltered... not sure about the Turner 2100 incarnations (Maplin)... on 1.1s...

**satelliteman** · 20-09-2008

What about the jaeger 99G and the Td110, would make a lovely couple

***Turok*** · 20-09-2008

oem manufactor,of the modell darkmotor that is avalible in uk
from al*sat ,is Golden Interstar!

Type Golden Interstar GI-50-120

technicly exactly the same,only colotor is difrent!
Price here is 50€
moving range up to 80 east
also good for heavey antennas,specification says up to 14 kg!
Staab hh 100 i was using one year,and then the motor,lost his mind and all his positions!

***wod*** · 20-09-2008

Originally Posted by satelliteman

What about the jaeger 99G and the Td110, would make a lovely couple

that works well i had one on a triax dish and it worked well much better than a rubbish diseqc motor

**HB13DISH** · 20-09-2008

Originally Posted by Turok

oem manufactor,of the modell darkmotor that is avalible in uk
from al*sat ,is Golden Interstar!

Type Golden Interstar GI-50-120

technicly exactly the same,only colotor is difrent!
Price here is 50€
moving range up to 80 east
also good for heavey antennas,specification says up to 14 kg!
Staab hh 100 i was using one year,and then the motor,lost his mind and all his positions!

Hi Turok,
Why do you think that Golden Interstar is the same as Dark Motor?
Do you have their address or real website?
On some of the labels, I can see a STAB logo. So perhaps it is made by STAB after all.
All I get is a lot of links to German websites, so it is possible that this is another variety for distribution in Germany and the real OEM is still unknown.
Do you have a spec where it says it has metal gears (spec in any language will be fine). Please attach it.

***Turok*** · 20-09-2008

Hello !

translate the specification for you!
with google translator hope its corect!
ore quiet, compact and powerful DiSEqC motor with very precise mechanics. The engine is easy on the coaxial cables connected with the receiver. Controlled the engine with DiSEqC following protocols:
- DiSEqC 1.2
- USALS (DiSEqC 1.3)
- Goto-X

Specifications of the IGolden Star DiSEqC Motors GI 50-120:
• Power on receiver: 50 mA (standby), 200 mA (typical), 350 mA (maximum)
• Output: 13 / 18 volt DC (corresponding to the input voltage)
• Compatible Receiver: DiSEqC 1.2 receiver and receiver with Interface Box
• Movement speed: 1.9 ° / sec (13V) 2.5 ° / sec (18 V)
• Limit / - 80 °
• Fixing on the diameter 35 - 65 mm
• Programmable satellite positions: 60
• Supported Protocol: DiSEqC 1.2, USALS (DiSEqC 1.3) and Goto-X
• Maximum size antenna up to 140 cm,some say 120,but only darkmotor box i read also 140cm
• Connection via F-connector
• LED display function (2 colors)
• Input Voltage: 13 / 18 volt DC
• elevation angle (latitude angle change): 10 ° - 75 °
• Function (calibration) "Go to 0 position" built (Go to 0 °)
• The positioning is on a high resolution sensor realized Hahl
• azimuth angle (spherical polar coordinates) 80 degrees East - 80 ° West (160 ° max) (same moving range then darkmotor)curencly no other diseqec motor moves up to 80 west7east/current products stop at 75 east!
• 26 positions over 1 satellite built satellites already preprogrammed table
• limiting protection of software (software programmable limit) and hardware (via micro switch) integrates

here on Ebay

a picture item number
150295796262

first i bought the darkmotor,and after that i find out that the above modell is exactly the same,for only the have price

only the color is difrent!
dark lnb darkbox etc,everthing is oem made saled under diffrent name!

most we see this are on the stbs ,a big factory in korea 10 difrent modells,insinde all the difrent bootloader
and outside difrent box!
finish is the new receiver,or product!

you only need alot of money,told the factory,in Asia what you want,but it only works in large figures!

dont worry,Hb13 evrrything i write,i checkt it first is information corect or not,it takes a long time,to test and investigate!

the technical "problem" is,not every receiver,is 100% compatible,in its usals protokol to move outside 62 East,to eastern satelites!
this the reason,that for e.g staab motor,is the limit 62 east,because,it is not supportet by the protokoll itself!

that means all satelite behind 62 erst,you must tune,in manual diseqec mode!

in the moment,the usals specifcation stands at 1.3

but most of the receivers,on the market,does not support,the full automatic moving range of the motor!
some newer modells will do,without tuning manually,but currencly i only know that the exitis,but dont find it yet!
what you think about this?

**thecaretaker** · 21-09-2008

That is interesting. I'm using the super dark motor and apart from a metal logo on the box, it says nothing about metal gears in the spec. It seems fast and is very accurate but the noise!!! I can't use it after 10pm at night for fear of waking the neighbours. The larger the dish, the more noise it seems to make as the dish acts as a giant sound horn.

It claims suitable for dish sizes up to 1.4m, I've only had it on a 88cm and 64cm dish.

I've attached the booklet (pdf) with the spec. As you can see, not a titter of who makes it, where... nothin'

joekir · 21-09-2008

What is known as the Darkmotor here, is the Powertech DG280. There are three models all together, so what in the UK is the "Superior Dark Motor" is the DG380 everywhere else.

_http://www.powertech.tw/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=71

This is the US distribution:
_http://www.sadoun.com/Sat/Products/PowerTech/Sadoun-DG380_HH_Motor.htm[/url]

Plenty of spares sold there too and a realistic limit of 100cm.

I think I heard somewhere that Powertech is owned by the UK distributor.

**mick2me** · 21-09-2008

Originally Posted by thecaretaker

It seems fast and is very accurate but the noise!!! I can't use it after 10pm

Sounds like a new spec to be added for Dark Motor.. 'DB Level'!

Originally Posted by thecaretaker

I've attached the booklet (pdf) with the spec.

The Manual contains some interesting stuff particularly trouble shooting solutions not included in my HH motor instructions.

The sat table shows Astra 2 at 31E?

Hakon · 21-09-2008

There are one more clone of this DiSEqC-motor, Clarke Tech.
_http://www.clarke-tech.com/produkte?template=detail&entryid=22&lang=
I have them both ,Golden Interstar and the Clarke Tech.Soon I will open them up to find out if there are any differ inside.

The Golden Interstar GI 50-120 is a different model from the HH-100/120 that they also have at there homepage.
I dont think the 50-120 is made by Stab, but the other models seems to be.

Read somewhere that Moteck only make motors for theme self. all other is copies.I dont think thats true, i sent a mail to Moteck and Rita answered that they do make motors for other supplier under different name.So it seems that Moteck is a OEM

This is the mail i got:
8/27/2008

Dear Hakan,

We make OEM brand for our customers.
PALM brand is one of them and is for our Netherlands customer.

Best Regards,
Rita Yu

**HB13DISH** · 21-09-2008

Originally Posted by joekir

What is known as the Darkmotor here, is the Powertech DG280. There are three models all together, so what in the UK is the "Superior Dark Motor" is the DG380 everywhere else.

_http://www.powertech.tw/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=71

This is the US distribution:
_http://www.sadoun.com/Sat/Products/PowerTech/Sadoun-DG380_HH_Motor.htm[/url]

Plenty of spares sold there too and a realistic limit of 100cm.

I think I heard somewhere that Powertech is owned by the UK distributor.

Thanks joekir for the info.
This is what I was trying to find out for some time.
Do they mention metal gear anywhere in their spec?

***Turok*** · 21-09-2008

Hello!
thanx for scaning the manual of darkmotor,i lost it in the meantime

not every antenna,with the same size,has the same weight,so for e.g the triax 1,40m is very light,much lighter then gibertini 1,25
when you have strong winds,and moving a heavey dish,the fault of a diseqec motor comes much fuster,here in the maintains,i have no winds,that could be dangerous for a motor!

moteck is not simular to darkmotor,i dont know maybe golde interstar has also his own oem manufactor,in an old dr dish isue,the also told,the the make there products alone,but i cant belive this,the buy most of the parts in taiwan!

i have a motor it called bigsat range up to 75 east and its oem made by motech

whats the technical reason about the noice of a motor i dont know,maybe a questions of the qality of components that are using!

the egis for example is very quite,but moving much larger dishes then a cheap diseqec motor!

**rolfw** · 21-09-2008

Not badly made, runs quietly.

**satelliteman** · 21-09-2008

Now your not going to be able to send that back Rolf

Nice to see the workings of the motor.

**rolfw** · 21-09-2008

I'll take that risk, but I tested it before taking the cover off.

To be quite honest, it is hardly worth sending these cheap motors back if you have to do it by post, best to write it off to experience.

Hakon · 21-09-2008

Originally Posted by Turok

moteck is not simular to darkmotor,i dont know maybe golde interstar has also his own oem manufactor,in an old dr dish isue,the also told,the the make there products alone,but i cant belive this,the buy most of the parts in taiwan!

i have a motor it called bigsat range up to 75 east and its oem made by motech

Sorry missunderstanding... i did not mean that the Golden Interstar and the Moteck is the same.
I just wanted to inform that Moteck really make motors to other brands,some says no they dont.

The Clarke-Tech motor are spec with metalgears so when they arrive i will open them up to see whats inside.

It looks that Golden Interstar ,Clarke-Tech,Darkmotor,Powetech are the same at the outside.

**rolfw** · 21-09-2008

Have started a thread in the Pictures of Members' systems section Hakon, so we can keep a permanent record, so when you post them here, I'll make a copy to that thread.

Hakon · 22-09-2008

I did find some more info about these DiSEqC motors.
It looks like there are different make of the OEM PowerTech.
Dark grey = Metal gear, even the big maingear
Silver = Plastic gear
There are also manual or automatic zero backlash adjustment.

_http://sadoun.com/Sat/Order/Motors/HH-Motors.htm
_http://sadoun.com/Sat/Order/motor-comparison.pdf

@rolfw
The one you took picture off looks like a Moteck ?

***Turok*** · 22-09-2008

Hello!
does anyone ever try to replace the plastic gears in some motors including smr1224 jager,to metall gear version?
would be a nice workshop

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