Evading the Lanlord No Dish Policy with my arcons and multimo wonders

pedro2000uk · 17-02-2009

That LNB is so different... can you put that on the 'LNB in the Raw' pictures section? (you don't have to open it- just show that unusual thread).

**kamaleon** · 17-02-2009

Here you go. The antenna is a telefrontier trusat 60cm-ish, it is actually a cassegrain antenna under the flat radome.

_http://telefrontier.com/

**peaceandlove** · 17-02-2009

Originally Posted by kamaleon

Here you go. The antenna is a telefrontier trusat 60cm-ish, it is actually a cassegrain antenna under the flat radome.

_http://telefrontier.com/

That threaded adapter looks very intersting, it means one could convert a normal iverto C12o,
Its funny, i have just helped someone align a similar dish to this but it came with a normal lnb and not a c120, secondly, i was not impressed with the dish, was having problems on some transponders on 19E these transponders are perfect on my Arcon 40-cm sweety and my multimo 40cm .
I picked up the lnb from
http://www.leisurepower.co.uk/
they do not display the lnb, you have to ring up and ask,
taking a second look at the c120 lnb im actualy wandering if its an adaption or is it the same lnb that im using on my Arcon multi.

By the way, ive decided i will go 80cm clear makes much sence

**kamaleon** · 17-02-2009

Are you sure the antenna you were installing for your mate was the exact same one? I would indeed be very interested on a feedback on how that antenna performs. There is another antenna that vaguely resembles that one, except that the radome is not flat, but round, and that one indeed sports a regular lnbf. The first two pictures are from that similar albeit rounder dish, the last one is from the trusat one.

I didn't get what you meant by this
"taking a second look at the c120 lnb im actualy wandering if its an adaption or is it the same lnb that im using on my Arcon multi."
which lnb are you talking about here?

**peaceandlove** · 17-02-2009

Originally Posted by kamaleon

Are you sure the antenna you were installing for your mate was the exact same one? I would indeed be very interested on a feedback on how that antenna performs. There is another antenna that vaguely resembles that one, except that the radome is not flat, but round, and that one indeed sports a regular lnbf. The first two pictures are from that similar albeit rounder dish, the last one is from the trusat one.

I didn't get what you meant by this
"taking a second look at the c120 lnb im actualy wandering if its an adaption or is it the same lnb that im using on my Arcon multi."
which lnb are you talking about here?

Your right the dish is different and is the same as the one on your attachment with the round bit.
As for me talking about the Lnb, I meant that in your attachment of the flat dish where you show a close up of the lnb with a screw attachment, i cant get a closer enough look at the lnb, and as it looks in your picture, it so resembles the iverto lnb that i have on my arcon multi, but i think you suggest that it is actually some kind of screw cap adaption, which would be brilliant because one could buy the normal iverto and screw the attacment on to it, i think thats what you are suggesting

**kamaleon** · 17-02-2009

Try this pic better then.

YOu can clearly see it's a yellow plate that has the threaded bit on, and that is screwed on the lnb C120 lnb. But the question is, would this specific piece match the threads on your arcon? And if so, where to get this piece? I'm not sure it would be an easy task.

**peaceandlove** · 18-02-2009

Originally Posted by kamaleon

Try this pic better then.

YOu can clearly see it's a yellow plate that has the threaded bit on, and that is screwed on the lnb C120 lnb. But the question is, would this specific piece match the threads on your arcon? And if so, where to get this piece? I'm not sure it would be an easy task.

Thanks for that clarification, it looks like a wonderful peice of kit, I too wonder if the thread would fit the arcon, and also where to get it, if it was not much money i would give it a try

**peaceandlove** · 18-02-2009

On the subject of clear dishes, ive seen to makers metronics and triax, can you offer any advice on which may be better or would they basically be the same, the price also seems the same around £80-£90

**kamaleon** · 18-02-2009

Before getting mine, 2 or 3 years ago I did some digging and it was pretty mind-boggling to find out any infos on the make of those dishes, all I was able to find out is that none of those brands actually makes the dishes, they used to be made by Vector industries which does aeronautics stuff. I don't know if there's other ones making them nowadays. Metronics only put a sticker on the dish.

I can tell though that there are different backplates to those dishes, both on the 80cm and the 60cm. I'll put some pictures later on. Rolfw used to know about this too, as he used to have a clear dish too, and I remember having a chat with him about this.

Are you interested on the 60cm dish? I'm currently selling mine

**peaceandlove** · 19-02-2009

Originally Posted by kamaleon

Before getting mine, 2 or 3 years ago I did some digging and it was pretty mind-boggling to find out any infos on the make of those dishes, all I was able to find out is that none of those brands actually makes the dishes, they used to be made by Vector industries which does aeronautics stuff. I don't know if there's other ones making them nowadays. Metronics only put a sticker on the dish.

I can tell though that there are different backplates to those dishes, both on the 80cm and the 60cm. I'll put some pictures later on. Rolfw used to know about this too, as he used to have a clear dish too, and I remember having a chat with him about this.

Are you interested on the 60cm dish? I'm currently selling mine

Thanks for offer but i feel i need to go 80cm as i dont believe the 60cm will be much different to my 57cm,
I am however wandering what is the difference between prime focus and ofset, i thinking prime focus has to hit the satellite direct on and is possibly why i have some problems on receiving thor, for example there are some vertical transponders on thor of which i need to slightly move my dish a few steps to the right using my receiver in order to catch them, its a bit like having to continuely adjust your FM ariel to home into your favourite pirate station, also i know that thor is on 0.8W/1W and i have to hit the centre of these to to receive the best of both which also renders some of my transponders to come through weeker than others.
Im wandering if an ofset may get over this hurdle and may be why lee says he can now pick up astra 2D from where he is, i think the small sized prime focus may have issues where the satellite is made up of more than one satellite example Thor 1W/Intelsat 0.8w and for those not in the astra 2 Foot print there may be issues with astra 2 at 28.2/28.5E thinking the prime focus small size struggles here and posibly this may be where the ofset has an advantage, but i doubt if a normal 60cm from where i live could pick up 16E like i presently can as well as 39E and 42E this is why i need to go 80cm, so i can still maintain these and possibly improve my thor reception, and who knows, i may also be able to receive some Nilesat ~(Wishfull thinking), but at the very least i think i should be able to receive thor with out doing FM style adjustments.

Also noticed that there are some clear dishes with clear backplates and some with normal backplates,
Obviously i want the type with the clear backplate

**kamaleon** · 19-02-2009

Yes, that was I was meant to show you, here you can see different 60cms which are not so transparent as the others

I know I had a lot of trouble to find one which has the back plate transparent too.

**kamaleon** · 19-02-2009

and here are 80cms ones, I've never seen one with a transparent backplate

Actually yesterday I saw this metronic one on Ebay

, it looks different from the others...

**kamaleon** · 19-02-2009

Regarding your setup: I'm not sure what difference an offset dish would make to a prime focus dish pointing-wise

On my moteck setup I actually have different setups to 0.8°W and to 1°W to make it perfect, did you try doing that? Is your skew perfectly tweaked?

ps: would you mind using some punctuation on your posts? It would make it so much easier to read

ps2: forget about nilesat with an 80cm dish on your location

**peaceandlove** · 19-02-2009

Originally Posted by kamaleon

Regarding your setup: I'm not sure what difference an offset dish would make to a prime focus dish pointing-wise
On my moteck setup I actually have different setups to 0.8°W and to 1°W to make it perfect, did you try doing that? Is your skew perfectly tweaked?

ps: would you mind using some punctuation on your posts? It would make it so much easier to read

ps2: forget about nilesat with an 80cm dish on your location

Sorry for my bad Vocab, trying to rush my words as at work

Have not thought about doing a different set up for 0.8w and one for 1 West.
Not sure how my stab usuals HH90 would act but i suppose it would just be a matter of adding another satellite into by receiver and using diseqc 1.2 settings
Very good idea Thanks for that

**kamaleon** · 19-02-2009

no worries, I know my moteck can do 0.1°

, good luck

**kamaleon** · 24-02-2009

I have now installed both my transparent dishes

gadgeX · 26-02-2009

Thought I'd update everyone with the nonsense that came back from the council ... Although I agree I could mount a dish outthe back .. my friend ( a bit of an expert but sadly lives 7-8hrs away ) recons I won't get the elevation to get a signal round the back ..
Mounting on the side of the building , considering I'm on the right hand side would be touch and go as to whether I'd see 28E ...
I'm pretty miffed considering almost every house on my sidehas a s*y dish on the front .....
I'm still considering the Sweety but @ £150 I need to think a bit more .. a lot of money for a dish ..
>>
I can advise that the alignment for Freesat reception is the same as that
for Sky - that is, 28.2 degrees east of south, because the signal comes
from the Astra 2 group of satellites.

Having checked your address, it appears that your property is a four in a
block flat on the right hand side of the building. This would mean that a
dish would have to be mounted on the side or roof of the building.
Mounting a dish on the front of the building would be another option, but
not one that the Council would be in favour of since it would be visually
prominent within the street.

You should also note that it is feasible to get satellite reception from a
pole mounted dish in your back garden. This does not have to be high up,
as long as you can get line of sight to the satellite. A cable can be run
underground in a conduit, if necessary, between the dish and the dwelling.

In summary, planning permission would be required if you wanted to erect a
dish on the front of the building. However, there are several other
options available. Given that these other options exist, there should be
no reason to have a dish on the front of the building where it would be in
public view.

I trust that the above information is of assistance.

Regards

<name_omitted>
Planning Officer (Development Management): Mondays, Tuesdays and Wednesdays
only
North Ayrshire Council, Cunninghame House, Irvine KA12 8EE
Tel. 01294 324318

cheers ... gadgeX

**kamaleon** · 26-02-2009

150£? It's usually sold for less than 40€ + shipping, on fleabay germany, used, you should keep an eye out for one

**kamaleon** · 16-03-2009

Originally Posted by kamaleon

150£? It's usually sold for less than 40€ + shipping, on fleabay germany, used, you should keep an eye out for one

there you go
_http://cgi.Ebay

.de/ws/Ebay

ISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320350652572

good luck

**kamaleon** · 19-03-2009

Changed again

**HB13DISH** · 19-03-2009

Originally Posted by kamaleon

Changed again

The rectangular dish shadow during daytime makes it quite obvious to outsiders that there is "something" out there, while the transparent dish is less obvious.

**kamaleon** · 19-03-2009

Yeah exactly, the shadow is more blatant than the dish itself and it's a total give away

**kamaleon** · 19-03-2009

Cor blimley, it changed again...

Beacon · 3 Weeks Ago

HI. I thought I would share my experience with anyone interested. I am in Dublin, Ireland, and running a Arcon 60 with a Technomate 1500CI behind the french windows in our rented flat. I can get Hotbird 13.0E inside the flat with 95% Level and 63% quality. The signal and picture quality is very good - better than our NTL cable provider - provided the cloud cover is not too thick. On weekends, bank holidays, after dark, I just pop the dish on to the balcony if necessary to improve the signal. I have turned the dish clamp to point down at about 45 degrees where it acts as a foot against which the dish can lean. A couple of pencil marks on the floor allow quick relocation if we need to move the dish for any reason. An easy system that gets around landlord restrictions - which by the way contravene the EU statement on the right of every citizen to have a dish under the freedom of information policy. But thats another story. By the way, if I need to watch Astra 19 I put a particluar book under the rim of the dish to tilt to the required degree, and swing the dish round a little to realign it using the signal screen on the Technomate. Best wishes.

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