New hair required, none left.. Installation blues :-(

I_Just_want_to_know · 29-04-2009

I know what the problem is.. have just been speaking to the seller of the box I was intending to buy, and he came up with something that I havent seen as a solution on any forum yet..

My dreambox is probably kicking out a tiny bit of power that my motor and LNB both require a feed off..

The motor is getting some (as the manual movement suggests)
The LNB is taking too much power (I'm using a triax quad LNB, and when on the phone, he asked why? told me to disconnect the LNB and see if it moved, and hey presto it did..

So.. my LNB is being power hungry, at a later point I need to try just one conncection to it (although I think I might have tried this already)..
And if not, maybe a cheaper LNB which is less power hungry..

Rob (starting to smile again)

(I must say.. the guy was a top fella... he could of just answered my questions and taken my money for a new box, but instead, he has been helpful... Take my hat off to yer)

I_Just_want_to_know · 29-04-2009

I have a quad LNB sorry..

Triax quad LNB, four feeds coming off now going to a Disceq switch, and then one cable from that going to my dreambox.

In the dreambox, setup as four seperate sats.. (which i think are close together, as I can get channels off 3 of them)

Rob

**Topper** · 29-04-2009

Originally Posted by I_Just_want_to_know

I have a quad LNB sorry..

Triax quad LNB, four feeds coming off now going to a Disceq switch, and then one cable from that going to my dreambox.

In the dreambox, setup as four seperate sats.. (which i think are close together, as I can get channels off 3 of them)

Rob

Oooops no that is wrong..... the separate outputs a quad lnb do not all feed into a disecq switch, a quattro lnb 4 outputs which feed into a multiswitch. A quad lnb supplies 4 identical feeds to four separate receivers or two stb's with double tuners. You can only pick up one satellite with a quad lnb not multiple, the same for a quattro come to that without moving the dish.

I think you need to sit down and learn to walk before trying to run. Get the unit operating with one lnb and one output to the stb with the dish in a fixed position and build up from there

**howc** · 29-04-2009

Originally Posted by I_Just_want_to_know

I decided.. the box is going.. end of..

I've seen a box on the aforementioned auction site that looks useful, and is HD as well, so will kill an extra bird witht he same stone,

Rob

Wow slow down Im exhausted just trying to catch up on whats been going on.

Be careful with the Auction sites theres lots of kit that looks too good to be true and probably is. If you tell us what this receiver is and how much its on for, is it new or used etc we can help you find a bargain or avoid a turkey (like your clone DM500). To be safe buy from a reputable dealer rather than Ebay

, have a look at the site sponsors and give some of them a call. OK you might pay more but you know itl be the genuine product with the manufacturers warranty.

If its any help (and I know its not) I think I have just got my new dish/motor installed properly. Horray! I wouldnt say that I was a newbie but I started the install last Christmas so youve got a bit of a way to go before you catch up with me

. Just like you Ive been up and down the ladder more often than i can count .......Who needs Wii Fit thats all I will say! Stick with it though, its really satisfying when it starts to come together.

**Analoguesat** · 29-04-2009

Originally Posted by I_Just_want_to_know

The motor is getting some (as the manual movement suggests)
The LNB is taking too much power (I'm using a triax quad LNB, and when on the phone, he asked why? told me to disconnect the LNB and see if it moved, and hey presto it did..

So.. my LNB is being power hungry, at a later point I need to try just one conncection to it (although I think I might have tried this already)..
And if not, maybe a cheaper LNB which is less power hungry..

Rob (starting to smile again)

(I must say.. the guy was a top fella... he could of just answered my questions and taken my money for a new box, but instead, he has been helpful... Take my hat off to yer)

Doesnt work like that - an lnb is an lnb. They will all take the same power requirements from the receiver. Theres no such thing as a power hungry lnb.

An lnb is an electrical switch that runs at one state at 13V and at the other state when supplied with 18V by the receiver.

The motor and the lnb power requirements are fixed therefore the only way to supply more power into the system is with a beefier psu in the receiver itself, or by changing the receiver

**rolfw** · 29-04-2009

Originally Posted by I_Just_want_to_know

I know what the problem is.. have just been speaking to the seller of the box I was intending to buy, and he came up with something that I havent seen as a solution on any forum yet..

My dreambox is probably kicking out a tiny bit of power that my motor and LNB both require a feed off..

The motor is getting some (as the manual movement suggests)
The LNB is taking too much power (I'm using a triax quad LNB, and when on the phone, he asked why? told me to disconnect the LNB and see if it moved, and hey presto it did..

So.. my LNB is being power hungry, at a later point I need to try just one conncection to it (although I think I might have tried this already)..
And if not, maybe a cheaper LNB which is less power hungry..

Rob (starting to smile again)

(I must say.. the guy was a top fella... he could of just answered my questions and taken my money for a new box, but instead, he has been helpful... Take my hat off to yer)

It's already been mentioned in this thread, the DM500s is unable to power many motor/LNB combinations.

I_Just_want_to_know · 29-04-2009

OK.. seems I am a bit confused, its a triax quattro LNB (I though quad/quattro were the same).. I set the dreambox as LNB feed 1 thor, feed 2 eurobird and so on, so i thought I had four different signals being fed in.. (it certainly seems like that as the dream box did a multisat scan and one by one went through the 4 requested sats.. and as I said previously, got channels from 3.
When I pick one channel it says 13E and another says 7W so my understanding of it was that the the lnb is acting like 4 seperate feeds.. (as isaid, today I fed the four LNB outputs to 4inputs on a disqec switch, and the output of this to the DB, and thats how it seems to be working)

Ok, the other point - regarding power.. could it be that a quad/quattro/multi output LNB could draw more power than a single output LNB. I am a bit confused by the 13v 18v thing, mine does have markings on it that says HV & HH (I'd seen something similir in one of the motor setup menu's)

Box I was looking at is an M-Vision HD200 (can get the one with freeview tuner in as well for £179 and its setup to recieve all the good stuuff on thor1w) Looks like a seller/dealer and is being sold as new..

Rob

**rolfw** · 29-04-2009

Junk the Quattro LNB, or return it to wherever it came from it is useless for your setup, get a single and use that. As said earlier, a single LNB or quad LNB will only see the single satellite you are pointing at.

I_Just_want_to_know · 29-04-2009

ok, I found that my quattro LNB can pull 140ma..

I found a single that uses 110ma max... do you think this will help the grand scheme of things?

Rob

***Huevos*** · 29-04-2009

I doubt there is anything wrong with that receiver. If it didn't have enough power to turn the motor the motor wouldn't turn when you pressed the buttons on it.

I_Just_want_to_know · 01-05-2009

well, got up on the roof today, before it rained..

Disconnected all but one of the LNB outputs, and went back to the front room to move the motor..
No Joy.. Disconnected it all again and tried to move the motor, and it did, It moves when not connected to the LNB..

I can only assume my LNB is drawing a little too much power (the specs say 140mA) so I have ordered a single LNB (which states upto 110mA max) so fingers crossed..
If this doesnt work, I really will give up on that box :-(

Somone else suggested trying to up the voltage to 18v on one of the screens on the motor setup page (when selecting multi sat via rotor)
I tried it, but it made no difference..

Rob

Thanks for everyones help

**satelliteman** · 01-05-2009

MTI supreme line 0.2dB single draws only 90mA.

I_Just_want_to_know · 14-05-2009

Just wanted to thank everyone for their help and advice regarding my problem... Some of my hair has now grown back after pulling it out so hard, and I'm now safe to been seen outdoors again...

I have installed a single LNB as stated earlier, and can now move the dish (albeit only on the move east/west commands at present).. I have a pt2 question which I shall post seperatley..

Thanks again everyone

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