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13-10-2009
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Looks like Sky Italia are fighting back against card sharing  There are reports floating around on some forums that deal with CS stating that Sky Italia are randomly testing a new encryption algorithm which from what i can tell from what i have read on other forums most EMUs cannot understand  This is the same on both 093b and 0919 cards  The new ECM algorithm is reported to be over 4 bytes long which is larger than the current ecm algo. Newcs, CCCam, SCam and gBox can't at the moment understand this new algo  Apparently over half the channels are now off unless you have a Sky Italia propriety receiver. Personally i think this is just a temporary problem which will hopefully be resolved in upcoming emu releases  It wasn't that long ago when Sky Italia's 093b card couldn't be read outside of newcs so i think its more than likely just going to be more of an annoyance rather than a permanent issue  (At least I hope so  ) Nano | ||
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My System: 1.1 m triax dish,dreambox 7020 +160gb hdd/eagle box , sky hd and multiroom sky + | lots of people panicking in the cs world. [including me and my peers  ]no doubt a new emu will come along and save the day  [hope!] | ||
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13-10-2009
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My System: Dreambox 7020 with 120 gig hard-drive disk - running a motorised dish DM800 +DM600 +DM500 although only usually the 7020 and 800 are both on. | Interesting, however I think that sharing has toned down the need for hacking encryption systems like what used to happen. At least 90% of those who share have a paid sub. Where as on a hacked system usually 5 or 10% have a paid sub. So the question that NDS , Nagra and other providers should be asking themselves is , would they prefer 90% or 5%. They should let sleeping dogs lie on this one, as if they totally block sharing then the underground will working something else out and it may not involve most users have valid subs. Also if Scam is working as I've also seen reported then it shouldn't be too hard to just lengthen the bytes to the new longer values on the other Cams. - | ||
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My System: 1.1 m triax dish,dreambox 7020 +160gb hdd/eagle box , sky hd and multiroom sky + |
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14-10-2009
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My System: Dreambox 7020 | Dont agree. Sharing is cool, but too many commercial servers out there. That is why sly are taking action. To pay for it is ridiculous. The problem is any flipping newbie that comes along doesnt want to share, he just wants free or very cheap sly, so is willing to pay these gangsters for a share. If the hobby goes back deep underground, they will haveno more problem. I mean for f4cks sake, google in c4ardsharing and the first link is a sponsered link to a f4cking payservers. Payservers should all just die and leave the hobby alone. | ||
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14-10-2009
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My System: Covering 30W-105.5E range, two motors, C and Ku band. Various receivers/cards/cams/etc. | The problem is old as my socks - packages are very costy, and often offer too much channels that typical user does not need... If there will be choice to form package according to personal wishes, that it'll be nice. For example, for complete Sky Italia I need only ONE channel - MTV GOLD. Will I pay sub for complete package? of course not, I'd prefer to buy it on commercial sharing server. Same applies to SKY UK (Smash Hits), or SKY DE (Goldstar TV). | ||
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14-10-2009
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My System: -DM800 fixed on 28.2-quad -DM7020 motorized -Skystar HD2 motorized -Cards&Cams&Cas | What needs to stop are the commercial servers. This is what the providers are fighting back for not the actual "sharing" as such. They are not stupid and they know EXACTLY what hobbiers (or should be) do. What zoro25 stated perfectly portrays todays reality. In any caase, there will always be a workaround for these types of problems but rather than asking when we should be asking WHY | ||
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14-10-2009
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My System: Covering 30W-105.5E range, two motors, C and Ku band. Various receivers/cards/cams/etc. | Hah no. you "sharing" guys use cccam (which is not supported by CHEAP receivers, and people buying CHEAP receivers for sure WON'T pay for official sub) and dead internet connection. Commercial servers allow to use almost any (newcamd) receiver and generally use broadband internet connection. So while there's demand, there's will be supply. | ||
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14-10-2009
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| Manic Midlander Moderator Join Date: 24-09-2006 Location: West Midlands. UK
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My System: Dreambox 7020si, Technomate TM600, Technomate TM9100 Fracarro Penta 85 Dish, Televes 0.6dB Quad lnb, TM SG2200 motor. 60cm Channel Master BSB dish on 28e, Mti Blueline 0.2db Twin Lnb. Rover ST-4 Meter Cyfra+ Subscription | Excuse me All of my Technomates are all cheap receivers (Under £120) and all work fine with CCcam, including reading cards  Thus making your last statement factually incorrect But yes i do see what your getting at Nano | ||
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My System: tm 9100 tm 1500 ci dm box 600 1 m dish polar mount 12 inc acuator v box 2 cas 3 dragon diablo gamma | do you think its the start of the end .. prob sly uk will follow ..i supose | ||
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My System: Dreambox 7020si, Technomate TM600, Technomate TM9100 Fracarro Penta 85 Dish, Televes 0.6dB Quad lnb, TM SG2200 motor. 60cm Channel Master BSB dish on 28e, Mti Blueline 0.2db Twin Lnb. Rover ST-4 Meter Cyfra+ Subscription | Nothing to worry about in all honesty SCam works ok with it so it won't be long before other emus are modified to read the longer length algorithm  I guessing its just a minor irritation | ||
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My System: tm 9100 tm 1500 ci dm box 600 1 m dish polar mount 12 inc acuator v box 2 cas 3 dragon diablo gamma |
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15-10-2009
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My System: Covering 30W-105.5E range, two motors, C and Ku band. Various receivers/cards/cams/etc. | Haha, the problem is you don't know explanation of "cheap" Opticum/globo 7010A costs around $25, this is what we call CHEAP. | ||
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My System: 2xDM7025(DVB-S tuner), DM600SPVR, DM800S, TM9100, Triax 90cm with MultiBracket 4 sats. | Cheap is a relative concept. By supporting commercial exploitation of our hobby, it becomes really expensive, in options, as we will ALL lose the ability to play with cams and the rest - and this to enrich a few bad apples. Greed is a sad thing, as it invariably messes up everyting for everybody. | ||
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My System: Covering 30W-105.5E range, two motors, C and Ku band. Various receivers/cards/cams/etc. | I think it's not correct to call it "hobby". You're gaining unauthorised access to encrypted system and this is CRIME. | ||
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End of the day, the problem is that the sly card doesnt currently work in any other receiver than the original. Now, wanting to use your own stb is not a crime! This is not an issue that "sharing" doesnt work it is the fact that sly have now restricted your choice of receivers to their own little cartel. Before anyone mentions the t&c's of sly, remember, it might be their rules, but it aint LAW! | |||
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My System: Triax 1.1m and Orbital 80cm Motorised Dishes. Various fixed Dishes. Eclectic selection of Digital and Analogue Receivers. Complex switching and distribution that SWMBO cannot fathom. Nor me. |
Always best to keep any inclination to breach the Contract low key - although of course common sense and practical experience suggest that higher profile activities such as Rebroadcast Systems and the organised Distribution of Cards outside the relevant Territory receive most attention and enforcement effort. | |||
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My System: 2xDM7025(DVB-S tuner), DM600SPVR, DM800S, TM9100, Triax 90cm with MultiBracket 4 sats. | BombedOne: I am not gaining access to unsubscribed channels as I am using my own subscribed card in the dreambox. It provides many additional features such as watching streams from my PC, picture viewing, playing MP3 etc etc that the sly box cant do. I also gain access to foreign channels (multi lnbs) that the sly box can't handle and this helps me to improve my language skills. So it reduces clutter in the TV area. | ||
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15-10-2009
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My System: Covering 30W-105.5E range, two motors, C and Ku band. Various receivers/cards/cams/etc. | The original card and receiver are matched to each other, provided as single, unseparateable system, and using them separately is violation of TOS and can be subject of civil law. This is nearly what your contract says. | ||
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15-10-2009
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My System: 1,25 Fibostop Jäger Smr 1224 & Smo 36 Dual Axsis Motor Dynasat F1 Monterey 140 Drembox 800 sky Pace HD Box Tagra 2,20 M Fullsize Dish Echostar 2,40m Mesh for cband! | when the new sky italy cards now come out? when is the card change complete? | ||
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15-10-2009
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My System: Dreambox 7020 with 120 gig hard-drive disk - running a motorised dish DM800 +DM600 +DM500 although only usually the 7020 and 800 are both on. | Also as for unlawful access, I've checked out the law on this and its only illegal in the UK to access using a bypassed method or receiver that has been modified to access a signal broadcast for the UK Meaning that if you take the law for its word, if I had a sky uk sub and and accessed a sky italy sub by paying a server I would not be breaking the law. Its only breaking the law if you share your sub, Its weird but those who share break the law and those that pay do not. (so long as you do not pay for a uk sub). Thats how I take the law to work. | ||
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My System: Covering 30W-105.5E range, two motors, C and Ku band. Various receivers/cards/cams/etc. | Hah I'm not going to sue anyone Just stop calling illegal usage/law violation "hobby". That's all. | ||
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My System: IDD CI24 ECONO MM Penta 1.20 Galaxy II 1.2Mtr Polar MTG yes it has been on the arc for 21 years and is still driven by a modified wiper motor from a Ford Anglia. It's like me sometimes groans but always performs  Saved us from the black plague of ignoratio elenchi, he awaits a special badge with jugs |
Of course you would be breaking the law since you have not purchased your own subscription to Sky Italia...... | |||
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