Jeager 1224 EL with 1.2 Fibo

CROSSBONES

The Satellite super store used to sell an adapter plate for the fibo and 1224.

But guess what..........no longer made!

olisun

I noticed the 1224 without the CM adapter plate aligns perfectly well with the Fibo but the only problem is the direction of the holes on the 1224 are in the wrong direction.

Wouldn't it be easier to create 2 strips of metal brackets which can be bolted onto the 1224 and Fibo? Something similar to what Scopus has done for his CM mount for the Fibo?

In case of Scopus, he has extened the screws on the top part of the dish but this can easily be replaced with something similar he has used for the bottom part of it.

I am finding it difficult to find somebody locally to make those 2 small adapters for me.

Anybody willing to make those 2 adapter plates for me if provide them with the measurements and drawings of exactly what I am looking for?

Snuffer

No problem if you have the info.


What aboy this system :
egis with extra rotor to scew complete dish the offer me this compleet with cable and egis controlbox.

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Turok

what egis want to buy now ?
you found one in the meantime?
focus version?
autorobot is very expensice...

Snuffer

The ask 600 Euro for it its a autorobot.

olisun

That bloody thing looks so big and heavy.....

Snuffer

Yep heavy thats it complete 19 Kg.

So i go back to my fisrt idea and that is a Att. mod. for Incl. sat
Today we start with mechanial work and hope that next week a frien of my have time for the software part.

I keep you informet with Photo's of it.

scopus

Here is my mod on a 1224 without using the channel master adaptor plate...

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Snuffer

Simpel AND GOOD great work that Mod must be have same degrees as orginal and ready.
Thanks to share this with us. Any thinks to now before we go make it some special thinks?

olisun

I will get the measurements to you soon... Been to busy and the weather is also very cold and makes it difficult to touch the metal with bare hands.

probsat

Hi Guys

I have had my 1.2 metre fibo since Jan 1997, it is the alluminium casting type with the very small motor. It looks nothing like the pictures what I have seen here.
The pictures look to me like the usa version with the huge motor.

My motor packed in 3 years ago and I replaced it with a sharp video capstan motor rated at 14volts. I used a simple step down circuit to use with my pace positioner. I also managed to buy the drive gear from a place in germany who have now closed down. If the nylon gear broke again this will be the end of my current set up and i would need to improvise

Maintained the mount today and it looks as good as new.

Cheers

Probsat

Snuffer

probsat

That nylon gear are 975 pieces in stock.
So have fun and when broken no piont
on greg users site you can get info about it.

probsat

Hello Snuffer

Many thanks for your reply which is really good news for me. When I lost my contact in Germany I thought that there were no more parts available.

I hope that I am not breaking forum rules if I ask you for the link to the Gregorian Users site and also where can I obtain replacement parts. I may consider purchasing a spare motor assembly if they are still available


Cheers

Probsat

Snuffer

There is a link to that page in the topic big links.
follow your ideas and you find it its a information site no comurcial.


Ron

pride21

here is my 1224 on a 1.2cm fortec star dish

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Snuffer

Hi pride21

Nice picture of your 1224 what we talk about are the nylon clogh of the Fibo motor.

paolik65

I own an Egis Focus rotor and I am interested in this new extra rotor.

Where can I purchase it ??? I have not seen it at _www.egis.org !!!

Can you help me please ???

Thanks

Turok

hello!
there is no extra rotor,all types are the same,only the controller box is difrent,on the köln anga cable,a new egis motor has been relased for dishes up to 3,7 meter fullsize,but its to expensice for private person it coasts nearly 25000€

on most of the antennas,you need a special adapter plate ,between the masttop and the egis ,to fix it,on the backside !

paolik65

Sorry but you misunderstood me. I was not speaking about a different Egis rotor but I was speaking about the AUTO SKEW device intefaced between the rotor and the antenna in the Snuffer picture setup.

Since by now I am driving my Egis rotor with my Echostar DVR7000 and I can adjust the skew using a mechanical polarizer I don't have any problem in adjusting the skew from one satellite to another, but if I want to upgrade to a new receiver with HD or blind scan capabilities I can't control the mechanical polarizer and I need to use an universal LNB. Since the rotor is bi-axial in this case I need the auto skew device used by Snuffer to skew the antenna in order to properly skew the lnb.

The problem is that there is no mention about that device option anywhere and is not mentioned even at the Egis home page!

Any help will be very appreciated. Thanks.

Turok

Good evening!

since,analouge channels swtich off,Sat Autotracking
Signal optimeizing over Satsignal
,with only a digital signal is imposible with egis!

if you want to do this,you need a converter,that change the digital signal into analouge signal,so that the egis will "understand" it,like in the old analouge days!

this device is very expensice nearly 1000€!

paolik65

Ahem, sorry Turok, but you have not yet undertood my question.
I do not need autotracking function to follow inclined orbit satellites with AGC.

Let me try to explain more better.

The EGIS Focus Rotor I still own is very nice and it works very well but it has the big problem of every bi-axial system. Since bi-axial systems are not polar mounts the LNB skew varies a lot when you move from one satellite to another so to override this issue you can operate the EGIS rotor just using a mechanical polarizer like a Corotor C/Ku or a Polarotor Ku (like my own) and satellite receiver like my Echostar DVR 7000 which is able to control the mechanical polarotor through a 3 wires cable (+5V, skew, gnd). The problem is: the Echostar is very nice but it's old and I need a new receiver with more feautures like HD channels support and blind scan support, but there is no nowadays receiver that support the control of a mechanical polarotor and the only way is to use an Universal LNB with fixed polarization H/V. But if you use that LNB with the EGIS Focus rotor you can receive well just one satellite since the others require a different LNB skew!!! The only solution is the particular motorized interface that Snuffer use with its Egis Focus which automatically skew the antenna by rotating it on its axis. However I contacted Snuffer and he told me that that is not a commecial product but is an hand made device made by a technician of his Country. I will try to get it as soon as possible since it is the only way to operate an EGIS Focus rotor with a Universal LNB and I thank Snuffer for his kind support. However I am still surprised that noone at EGIS think to directly manifacture such a device since it could be very useful for people in my situation.

Turok

Hello!
okay,i understand now!
there are to receivers,where you have also scew controll echostar,has the problem,that you can store the scew only for one satelite not for one transponder

for e.g i use the pansat 3500 from usa you can buy on Ebay .com
when you need blindscan feature!
**.pansat3500sd.com/

a little bit easier to get,espasly in u.k,but long time out of prodoction is the manhattan plaza 450 or 500!
with enabled irdeto

with this receiver you can store,the scew for one transponder!

i also dont have this modell,i trying to find one,the plaza series is not easy to handle,espasy the lnb configuration itself,but the only way to solve your problem!
****.dvbhardware.com/product_info.php?cPath=10&products_id=95[/url]

price is very high!
also a nice feature the optical controll out put,where i can use on my Jager Smo36 for e.g.
if you need this,vbox 3 does also have one,but the manhattan plaza is the better way!
hope that helps a litle bit!
maybe the selfmade interface is cheaper,i dont know!
**.dvbhardware.com/product_info.php?cPath=10&products_id=95

paolik65

The Echostar DVR7000 is OK for me for skewing purposes doing it by satellite is ok. The only problem of the Echostar is the lacking of the blind search that is very useful for a feed hunter.

About the Pansat 3500sd two questions: what about using it in europe with american firmware ? I knew there were several problem. Second: apart the need of using a VBOX to control the 36v since it is just a DiseqC model it has the BIG missing of a Common Interface slot !

About the Manhattan Plaza 450 or 500 or 550, please, stay away from them if you have a polarotor or corotor !!! I own a 450 and even with the latest software it has several problem with polarotor and wide band lnb:
- the blind search does not work correctly with wideband LNB since it works just on LNB1 and you have 4 LNB to set in this configuration. The skew is stored by LNB and NOT by trasponder so it is not possible to use it with the EGIS since with it the skew vary from one satellite to another as I said before. The + skew is related to V polarization and the - skew to H polarization complicating the situation with the EGIS that could even have - skew with V pol or + skew with H pol.
In conlusion the Manhattan Plaza ST series is a onderful piece of hardware with a terrible bad and buggy firmware for mechanical polarizer and wideband lnb users !!!

I don't see any receiver on the market that have all the features of my very good Echostar DVR7000 for EGIS and mechanical polarizer plus blind search capabilities and possibly High Definition support. These are sad days for feed hunter fanatics like me! Just a lot of commercial craps on the market and no professional quality serious receiver! :-(

Turok

Hello!
sure the panasat has 36 volt conection not only diseqec and scew controll also!
3500 is older modell the newer one are the 6000 series!

production of all 36 Volt receivers in europe has been stoped!
the only way is to buy in thailand the dynasat F1,that has the conection you need,you get this reveiver only in south east asia menu language you can also change to ilalian or german very nice,i wondering why the never come to european market!

paolik65

No, the 36v motor is not avalable in the pansat receivers models 2700, 3500 and 6000 (you can easly see what I am saying at their site), however 36v is not a problem since you can solve it by simply using a VBOX II interface. The VERY BIG problem for me is the presence of the mechanical polarizer +5v, GND, Pulse connections.

The sad thing is that the Pansat 2700 and 3500 have the mechanical polarizer connections with skew capabilities but they don't have common interface slot while the Pansat 6000 DO NOT have the mechanical polarizer connection and has two common interface slots.

It seems there is no way for me to get a common interface receiver with blind search and mechanical polarizer support apart the NON working well and buggy unusable Manhattan Plaza ST series.

Any other suggestion will be very appreciated.