UK police raid Blackburn pubs and seize satellite equipment

**Channel Hopper** · 02-11-2006

If the FA got talking with the publicans/breweries, giving them the rights to show the matches to the punters for free, and in return took the increase in pint price between 3pm and 5pm as payment, then it would knock the 'overseas card' issue out of the equation.

Anyone wanting to go to the pub on a Saturday afternoon (or anytime a popular match was on ) would know they were paying extra for the TV content, giving them the choice to support the local match from the terraces, or watch major league footie with a beer.

Grahkov · 03-11-2006

Record the live game on PVR and play it back with a 5 min delay and then you would not be showing LIVE football at 3pm but a recording.

**rolfw** · 03-11-2006

LOL, the rules do not specify "live", they say "any transmission of football".

But again I will say, this is to do with commercial showing of the matches and it doesn't matter whether they are live or recorded, you need to have paid for the rights so to do.

Think I'll close this until there are some results or further information on the court cases.

**rolfw** · 24-12-2006

New information at _http://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/news_detail.aspx?articleid=25359

The FA Premier League has launched legal proceedings against one of the largest suppliers of foreign satellite equipment to the licensed trade.

After years of prosecuting licensees for using the equipment the Morning Advertiser can this week reveal that the Premier League has issued a writ in the High Court against David Richardson of QC Leisure.

The FAPL’s lawyers claim breach of copyright and say that by encouraging people to buy the cards, and 'guaranteeing' that they are legal, QC Leisure is “authorising or procuring publicans to breach FAPL's copyright”.

The Premier League has said from day one that it is committed to prosecuting the suppliers of illegal satellite equipment
Premier League spokesman Dan Johnson.

Premier League spokesman Dan Johnson told the Morning Advertiser: “The Premier League has said from day one that it is committed to prosecuting the suppliers of illegal satellite equipment; this action demonstrates we are true to our word.

“It also sends the message to licensees that we are seeking to protect them from the misinformation and mis-selling the likes of QC Leisure are making significant amounts of money from ultimately at the expense of pubs and clubs.”

The FAPL has confirmed that it is also planning action against other suppliers.

A spokesman for QC Leisure responded: “We are surprised at these unfounded and spurious actions of the FAPL/Sky to attempt to prosecute us under a law that serves no remedy for our business practices.

“It is a blatant attempt to frighten us and other suppliers financially by using the threat of a high court action to do so.

“It is also an attempt to defame the business practices of QC Leisure in the hope of damaging business to a point where QCL back down for fear of financial ruin. Fortuitously QCL have a loyal client base that stands by us and are sure in the knowledge that they are by no way breaking the law by using their alternative satellite system.

So it looks like things are hotting up.

**Salty25** · 24-12-2006

******** stuff, perhaps Sky should buy the rights to this as well.

How can the PL actually make a case that will stand up in court against a company merely selling satellite equipment?

**Salty25** · 24-12-2006

rolfw, why oh why is 'c r a c k i n g' blocked

? Makes me laugh every time it happens (not that I type it that often it must be said)!

**leighpreece** · 24-12-2006

It all comes down to one word: GREED!

Glad I'm not a footy fan.

Leigh....

Rupert · 25-12-2006

Seems that police has too much spare time to raid pubs. Maybe they should concentrate to real criminals and terrorists, not people who watch tv.

**Analoguesat** · 25-12-2006

Originally Posted by Rupert

Seems that police has too much spare time to raid pubs. Maybe they should concentrate to real criminals and terrorists, not people who watch tv.

If the police can be persuaded a crime has been committed then they will investigate. You cant have the police not investigating some stuff just because it might impact on something you are interested in - that would lead to anarchy!

***wod*** · 25-12-2006

yep the police have to investigate if there is a crime but i dont see what the problem is if a few pubs show some live matches so what

its just sky having a cry as they wont get the 12k a year or whatever they charge pubs

things like this isn't much a piority as getting drugs and keeping law and order on the streets is more a piority

***kleefarr*** · 27-12-2006

Originally Posted by BarMoo

but, the Irish Pub I want to rid of SKY still has it (here in Berlin). I have phoned a number of times to jolly 'ol Scotland without success.

BarMoo,

Was just wondering why you would want to do this? Is it a vendetta?

**rolfw** · 27-12-2006

Originally Posted by Salty25

rolfw, why oh why is 'c r a c k i n g' blocked ? Makes me laugh every time it happens (not that I type it that often it must be said)!

Would have thought that was obvious Salty.

**Channel Hopper** · 27-12-2006

Originally Posted by wod

yep the police have to investigate if there is a crime but i dont see what the problem is if a few pubs show some live matches so what

Lol, only because it would be more expensive to investigate a company that has vitually unlimited resources in broadcast power, utilises dubious tactics to suppress competition, owns the worlds largest search engine, actively promotes online gambling, drafts up the next generation of copyright restrictions to suit its own agenda, and yet having its majority shareholding interests registered offshore, pays the UK peanuts in tax.

The FA (read those of the Premier League) firmly believes it has the best contract in place, it is enlightening to compare the list of past and present members on the books, and where their business associates hang out.

Originally Posted by Rolfw

you cannot sell the same rights for the same item twice

Isn't that exactly what has occurred with the carving up of territories where the broadcasts are beamed into them from outside, using the same medium ?
(the fiasco over German broadcast rights just before the last World Cup should have been a wake up call of what is on the horizon).

***BarMoo*** · 30-12-2006

Originally Posted by kleefarr

BarMoo,

Was just wondering why you would want to do this? Is it a vendetta?

No not really. But that situation kind of proved the point that SKY don't give a hoot about out of territory use.

.

Kevjackson · 31-12-2006

What nobody has mentioned is that the copyrite law actually states that if a broadcaster (sky) sells the licence/rights to another platform (art/digitalb etc)
then what ever the platform does with them is no concern to the original owner.
QC Leisure a north west company has recently been issued with a writ from MPS (employed by sky) for selling "illegal sat equipment".
Sky think they are a law above themselves - using bully boy tactics, and frightening the publicans with threats of large fines etc but if they sign up nothing will be said....

**Salty25** · 01-01-2007

Originally Posted by Kevjackson

What nobody has mentioned is that the copyrite law actually states that if a broadcaster (sky) sells the licence/rights to another platform (art/digitalb etc)
then what ever the platform does with them is no concern to the original owner.
QC Leisure a north west company has recently been issued with a writ from MPS (employed by sky) for selling "illegal sat equipment".
Sky think they are a law above themselves - using bully boy tactics, and frightening the publicans with threats of large fines etc but if they sign up nothing will be said....

You'd probably be right if that were the case, but it's the Premier League who sell the rights in all territories, and there must be a condition in the contract that any broadcast who wins rights in a territory not to sell their rights in territories where other broadcasters own rights (ART own the rights in the Arab sub-contenient, so can not sell in UK where Sky own the rights). Otherwise, what value are the rights?

**tesla** · 27-04-2007

Originally Posted by Skip Channel

Shame the police haven't got anything better to do. Around my way there has been a steady increase in violent crimes (usually random and often for no apparent reason) and yet some forces can find the time to raid commercial premises that are showing the wrong kind of telly!

I suggest you should blame police. They are supposed to enforce the law, whether it's fair or not.
Furthermore, they are supposed to execute orders. If the order says "go arrest him" the police officer should do as he is said.

***Skip Channel*** · 28-04-2007

Originally Posted by tesla

I suggest you should blame police. They are supposed to enforce the law, whether it's fair or not.
Furthermore, they are supposed to execute orders. If the order says "go arrest him" the police officer should do as he is said.

Last month I had two police officers come to my apartment just after 11pm because of music I played for less than an hour and which finished before 11pm. The music was at a moderate volume and I'm the only person in the block with carpeting. About half an hour earlier I ignored a single buzz on the intercom system (as I have lots of nuisance callers, kids, drunks, druggies etc) which presumably was the delighful neighbour that called the police on me. Had they rang my doorbell I would've spoken to them, because they didn't they called the police and the police were at my door in 30mins.

The thing that really gets me is there's a guy in my block who ran a grow-op (and all that entails) and sold drugs from his flat - and also used it as a bit of a drugs den with people coming and going (in a bad state) 24/7. The guy was doing this for well over a year (and really blatent he was too!) before the police did something about it. He caused damage to his apartment, put the lives of other residents at danger (dodgy electricity!) and he's still living here.

I've lost my faith in our police. They're better than nothing but that's not good enough.

**Turok** · 25-05-2007

its,real ,unbelivible,when i read this,i think,its against european law,and does not refkekt,the rights of the free market..

in no other country,a pay tv operator do this!!

maybe,the use,satelite jammer,in the future,to block,the signal,of dubai sports

**rolfw** · 25-05-2007

Originally Posted by Turok

in no other country,a pay tv operator do this!!

I think you'll find that they would given similar circumstances.

***Yeshi*** · 25-05-2007

Originally Posted by Skip Channel

Last month I had two police officers come to my apartment just after 11pm because of music I played for less than an hour and which finished before 11pm. The music was at a moderate volume and I'm the only person in the block with carpeting. About half an hour earlier I ignored a single buzz on the intercom system (as I have lots of nuisance callers, kids, drunks, druggies etc) which presumably was the delighful neighbour that called the police on me. Had they rang my doorbell I would've spoken to them, because they didn't they called the police and the police were at my door in 30mins.

The thing that really gets me is there's a guy in my block who ran a grow-op (and all that entails) and sold drugs from his flat - and also used it as a bit of a drugs den with people coming and going (in a bad state) 24/7. The guy was doing this for well over a year (and really blatent he was too!) before the police did something about it. He caused damage to his apartment, put the lives of other residents at danger (dodgy electricity!) and he's still living here.

I've lost my faith in our police. They're better than nothing but that's not good enough.

This is where the problem lies, The police have to investigate each individual case on its own merit.

If your Playing loud music and Mr joe bloggs is sellin crack from his apartment, the police will deal with you first. quite simply because your playing load music and can be heared by everyone.

Mr Bloggs on the otherhand is selling drugs seemingly blatent to you, to the police it wont be blatent because the people buying, neighbours watching without reporting. There has be enough evidance for the CPS to say "Yes he's selling drugs" and have him nicked.

Same with showing football on a saturday.;.; No pint glass on the bottom right your blatently breaking the law end of. this can be proven.

It seems in this country, if the law doesnt turn a blind eye to the law breaker, the law is in the wrong. We all have to follow laws,

If we break copyright laws or play loud music and dont expect to be taken to court, where do we stop??

Fat Louis · 02-06-2007

I am a pub landlord and have Sky Sports at an outrageous cost of 1051.63 per month (plus more for prem plus).

The pub is a large local and our sports bar will only hold 35 - 40 people so it is difficult to make a profit by having Sky. The problem being that we are charged on the rateable value of the entire premises.

The exhorbinant cost (which is due to rise in September) will mean that we cannot afford to renew Sky Sports. A shame for both us and our customers.

Without competition, Sky can charge what they like and get away with it.

Not very sporting if you ask me!

Louis

**rolfw** · 02-06-2007

I agree that their method of calculating the charge can be unfare (certainly in pubs like yours) and generally the costs are too high anyway, but unless publicans in concert, bite the bullet and cancel, then they will continue to charge these prices.

**Turok** · 02-06-2007

Hello!
how much you pay,when Sky see,that i pub,showing dubai sports instrad of sky?

in no other,european country,the police would operate,in the name of a pay tv operator!

i read in german newsletter satelliline,a view month ago,that same pub owner,will go the way,of law against sky,because,the dont acept there rules ,sounds like,laws in cuba

but we live in free europe!

.so the eu must handel,very quickly!

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