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My System: Very big moving dish and a linux box for watching telly | 1. The Pub can not be done under any breach of copyright as long as they have paid for a valid subscription. 2. The law on the showing of live football at 3pm on a Saturday is not a law at all but a restriction imposed by the FA on British TV companies. 3. Civil suits are the only way for Media companies to persue this if they have the bottle but they do not have a case at all. This is all bluff and scaremongering. 4. Under EEC law it is legal to purchase and import anything within the EEC freely. Including TV services if the selling company are willing to supply this. Sky have been actively oposed to the spread of "rival" services for obvious reasons and have been active in promoting making such spread difficult if not impossible. eg: Sky Italia, Premiere and NDS based systems that require a Box Key ID. There are ways around even this now. However, there are still providers who have "open" access systems based purely on card encryption whose cards can be purchased and just plugged & played. eg: ART, Nova, DigitalAlb. In England, virtually every pub I use between Northampton and Swindon and West London at weekends has live 3pm football showing quite nicely thank you very much on a Saturday. Last edited by dirtydonki; 08-06-2007 at 10:26 AM. Reason: sp | ||
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Blog Entries: 3 My System: Sky+, DB 7000s, Gemini 4.3 in flash, Var on USB stick. Transparent 80cm Dish, Moteck SG2100 DiseqC motor, lots of legacy gear. Meters: Satlook Digital NIT, Unaohm EP313, Swires Annie 204 Spectrum, Rover ST-4 Spectrum. | We have argued this over and over, in previous threads. which was why I didn't comment on the post above initially, I would rather wait for the court decision. Could you buy a residential subscription from Sky (probably not much more expensive than a Nova subscription) and show it to a pub full of people without problems? No you couldn't and even on the Nova website, they say that if you want to use the card in a bar, you require a commercial subscription. Sky and the Premiership don't seem to have a major problem with domestic satellite viewers, it is only the people who are showing the football to an audience for profit, without paying for the privilege.
), in real terms they have in many cases charged ridiculously over the odds for pretty basic installations.There were several thousand football supporters who were able to get into the Stadium at Athens for the Champions League final without tickets, as there weren't sufficient checks and security, does this make it legal or right, do you congratulate them? I don't. What I will say though, is that if long term there is no control over the abuse of residential overseas subscriptions by commercial entities, then either the amounts bid for the rights by the UK companies will quickly diminish (affecting the Premiership income), or there will be only secondary timeshifted rights sold to the overseas companies and this will affect us hobbyists.
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Well this is a very high profile subject and no amount of discussion will provide the answers that people want.. My own opinion is simply this If you wish to watch your country's own (i.e. your national team) football team play then you should be able to do that without incurring financial penalities. The broadcasters have overstepped the limit now and must backtrack unless they prefer a country full of people who will support anything but the England football team. The whole situation is driven by money It is totally wrong that you cannot watch your national side play a game of football FTA
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Yes sorry that was completely OT, wrong thread I think. What I was going to say about this thread is that it really all comes down to us only holding half membership of the EU, we only adopt the bits we want and the rest we reject. If we were fully committed members then I would have to agree that European law prevails and Sky would have no jurisdiction to stop landlords receiving matches via broadcasting from Nova using a pub license. However we do seem to reject or ignore a number of European laws which rather muddies the waters. I think the rules concerning uncompetitive practices should apply and competition should be introduced to allow people and landlords to have a choice. I really do not see why sky would be afraid of competition I think we will have to wait and see what ruling is made
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My System: IDD CI24 ECONO MM Penta 1.20 Galaxy II 1.2Mtr Polar MTG yes it has been on the arc for 21 years and is still driven by a modified wiper motor from a Ford Anglia. It's like me sometimes groans but always performs ![]() Saved us from the black plague of ignoratio elenchi, he awaits a special badge with jugs | I thought the £800 per year was the Nova commercial rate, it surely cannot be the domestic, whereas the sky rate is £6000, or have I misunderstood something
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