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Old 04-05-2005   #1
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Question Arabsat & Nilesat Reception in U.K.

Hi ppl , Is the reception of both Arabsat & Nilesat receivable in the Britsh Isles

I read a post in other forum that someone has received Nilesat near Manchester city with 1.6m dish , but the reception was very poor . Hoping someone has received these satellites can help me out some info. regarding dish size .

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Reception of Arabsat 3A is possible in the UK with an 80cm dish - 90cm preferable in most areas. You can forget anything transmitted off 2D with a sensible sized dish.

Nile sat is just about possible in south east England with dishes of about 1.2m in diameter, although the V polarised channels are stronger than the H's
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I've got an 85 cm dish and I get a very good reception on arabsat 3, and a complete nothing on nilesat.
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My System: Humax CI-5100, 80cm 19.2e/13e/7e, 100cm 1w, 150cm 7w, 240cm on order.

I am in the northwest of england and tried Nilesat on a 1.6m dish. Only got the transponder with the educational channels and nothing else. Even then reception was poor with lots of blocking and breakup of the picture. I now have a 2.4m dish and receive all vertical transponders, only two transponders give a slight problem early afternoons, the rest are rock solid 24hours a day. I will be upgrading the lnb soon to improve those.

I had a spectrum analyser on the dish last week and can tell you that the nilesat horizontal channels are non existant. They are so well down on the verticals that it isnt worth trying to think about getting them on this side of the uk.

I had a brief look at arabsat, but only to the extent of finding it in the sky. I doubt that there will be much to receive other than 3A. I think arabsat C-band would be a better bet than the Ku-band.
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With a 0.6db lnb and a 1m dish, I could get some V channels on 7w late in the evening (south coast uk) on a clear day. I recently changed the lnb to a sharp 0.3db and now can get most v channels all day even with a cloudy sky. The actual signal improvement is marginal but the quality is much better.
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Guys just what im looking for
Arabsat possible in the Uk
JTA you say arabsat 3 is possible with a 85cm dish what freqs and chanell names I have 90 cm and seem to get nothing
wht lnb are you using?
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Originally Posted by spoofer2005
Guys just what im looking for
Arabsat possible in the Uk
JTA you say arabsat 3 is possible with a 85cm dish what freqs and chanell names I have 90 cm and seem to get nothing
wht lnb are you using?
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http://www.lyngsat.com/arab3a.html

The full 26E channel list is here, but you can forget anything off the other Arabsats in the UK

http://www.lyngsat.com/arab26.html
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Originally Posted by spoofer2005
JTA you say arabsat 3 is possible with a 85cm dish what freqs and chanell names I have 90 cm and seem to get nothing
wht lnb are you using?
I'm getting the following :
Algeria TV, Morocco TV, Sharjah TV, Al-Iraquia, Aljazeera, Almajd, Almanar, Almustakilla, Eritrea, Future, Hannibal, Jordan TV, Kuwait, LBCI, Libya, Mauritania TV, NBN, New TV, Oman, Saudi 1, Saudi 2, Star Academy, Sudan, Syria, TeleLiban, Tunis and Yemen. Freqs can be found on Lyngsat.
I'm using the LNB which came with my dish - the salesman told me it was a pretty sensitive one, but that's all I know. I'm sitting on the Belgian coast, which isn't too far from SE England.
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A good 2.4 mtr dish of high quality dish should indeed recieve many of the Nilesat channels.

The horizontal transponders are indeed around 1-2 db lower than the vertical transponders typically 11919H is one of the lowest transponders.

Ps on a 3.7 mtr (professional quality ADI feed and PLL LNB)some of the horizontal transponders are still weak ! occasionally during extremes of weather at my Belgium location there is minimal signal please be advised before make large investments.

Arabasat 26.0 east slightly better than Nilesat several transponders have higher reception capibilities within the UK.

A high quality and good 1.8 mtr dish will recieve a good selection of KU band horizontal and vertical transponders, and all the C band channels with some Analogue signal threshold addition.

On my 3.7 all c Band channels are perfect and the vast majority of KU band are equally very very good.

On my 2.0 UK based dish All C band channels are good with Analogue signal threshold addition, On Ku band digital equally majority of the channels are also recieved well.( professional quality ADI feed and PLL LNB)


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I am receiving Nilesat all vertical transponders here in Peterborough with 1.2m dish.

Originally Posted by al_madhi
Hi ppl , Is the reception of both Arabsat & Nilesat receivable in the Britsh Isles

I read a post in other forum that someone has received Nilesat near Manchester city with 1.6m dish , but the reception was very poor . Hoping someone has received these satellites can help me out some info. regarding dish size .

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Is that possible to receive Horizonal transponders of Nilesat with 1.2m dish in cambridge.

Originally Posted by Analoguesat
Reception of Arabsat 3A is possible in the UK with an 80cm dish - 90cm preferable in most areas. You can forget anything transmitted off 2D with a sensible sized dish.

Nile sat is just about possible in south east England with dishes of about 1.2m in diameter, although the V polarised channels are stronger than the H's
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My System: PrimeFocus 180cm (Astra 2D), MABO 115x128 (80E - 30W) , Kathrein ufs910, Amstrad DRX400 SKY Digibox+ Freesat card.

I receive all V transponders on 1,2 offset MABO dish even on rainy days. With regard to H polarised channels i picked some once, but picture was breaking up
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I (and the mrs) like watching Arabic music on both these sats- although we don't understand the language ! Could someone please tell me what the word 'habibi' means, it is there in all the songs ?
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Originally Posted by al_madhi
Hi ppl , Is the reception of both Arabsat & Nilesat receivable in the Britsh Isles

I read a post in other forum that someone has received Nilesat near Manchester city with 1.6m dish , but the reception was very poor . Hoping someone has received these satellites can help me out some info. regarding dish size .

Cheers
Hi,

I get Nilesat Vertical Transponders all the time except very heavy rain. Horizontal transponders as mentioned are very weak and I see 11919H as the strongest followed by 11766H.

I am located near Manchester using a 2m Prime Focus Professional Quality Dish with Invacom 0.3dB LNB and Matched Feedhorn.

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I get Nilesat up as far as in Stockholm, Sweden on a Fibo 90cm dish, MBC2 are pixeling a bit, i guess 10 cm more on dish would have got rid of it.

I only get the vertical transponders, the horizontals are dead.

Arabsat 3A no problems either.
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HI,

How did you set up the dish to receive Nilesat?
I recently bought a 1.8 dish, and could only get hotbird and Astra on it in Norfolk.
Isn't Nilesat to the right of Hotbird.

Can onyone please help with sugestions?

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Originally Posted by hlse
HI,

How did you set up the dish to receive Nilesat?
I recently bought a 1.8 dish, and could only get hotbird and Astra on it in Norfolk.
Isn't Nilesat to the right of Hotbird.

Can onyone please help with sugestions?

Thanks a lot
Do you have a motor or a fixed system ? Yes it is to the right, actually 7 West.
You have to be very carefull by a fixed system when you turn the dish. You also have to turn the LNB a bit to get the right tilt of the LNB

Look here to get the proper LNB setting and evaluation for your dish:

http://www.satlex.net/en/azel_calc.html
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Hi,

was it hard to receive the Nilesat signal?.

I've been trying to get a signal on a 1.8 m dish in Norfolk, but all i vain. Do u have any tips?
I only managed to get hotbird and astra, which are strong with a smaller size dish.

Thanks in advance.
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Thanks for the reply.

It is a fixed system, and it says on the manual that the LNB should be 68.2 cm away from the centre of the dish. That is the only guidline i work by.

i did manage to get the right arc, hence being able to receive Hotbird, and i assume they are on the same arc, aren't they?
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Originally Posted by hlse
Thanks for the reply.

It is a fixed system, and it says on the manual that the LNB should be 68.2 cm away from the centre of the dish. That is the only guidline i work by.

i did manage to get the right arc, hence being able to receive Hotbird, and i assume they are on the same arc, aren't they?
Do the following and go to that website I send you. You will find a link there called heavens-above.com and search for your exact position and enter this into the calculator. Since I do not know were you live I used Edinburgh for an example:

On Hotbird your dish is 17,66 degrees east so exact 17,66 away from total south. Use a compass to find south. Nilesat is 4,15 degrees west from "0". So turn your dish 17,66 + 4,15 = 21,81 degress to the west if you are on Hotbird. Use a compass for that. Now you should have a proper position. On the evaluation use the scale on the mirror. On hotbird your scale should show something like 26,23 degrees. Change it on Nilesat to 24,69 degress. The last thing you have to do is change the tilt of the LNB. What I mean is you have to turn it in the holder slightly to the left or right till you get a signal. Do not leave in straight. The calculator says for Nilesat + 2,56 degrees. which might be right or left. On hotbird it says - 10,68 so you have to turn it opposite direction for Nilesat.

Good luck with it. Hotbird and Astra have strong signals and you do not have to be that accurate to get a signal. But you have to for Nilesat since it is a weak signal. Besides you should receive a lot more satellites than those two. I get about 25-30 Satellites.

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Hi all,

I am in the NW UK with a 2m NERA Prime Focus Dish and I receive the following:

Nilesat
Vertical is fine except during heavy rain and 11747V is the strongest transponder.
Horizontal is not receivable normally although I do see 11919H occassionally.

Arabsat
2D is not receivable
3A Horizontal and Vertical transponders are easily receivable and much stronger than Nilesat.

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2m is overkill for Arabsat 3A in the UK. I can get it on an 80 cm, although a 1m would be better for more rain fade capability.
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