DigitAlb - No Saturday 3pm kick-offs

**Analoguesat** · 26-08-2008

Originally Posted by DUVET

My two setups are fixed and both have been working fine last football season.

both setups are having the same problem, no football being showing on prem channels.

is there football being shown on other channels ?

are they still showing 3pm kick off's on digitalb ?

From whats been said on several forums DigitAlb have been got at by the FAPL, and no 3pms will be shown until the end of the year.

They have also disappeared off Premiere - at least until the Bundesliga winter break.

The ONLY sourceo f 3pm kickoffs easily available now are on 1W.

(Im discounting Nilesat 7W because of the silly sized dishes most folk need!)

**bigtee** · 26-08-2008

Originally Posted by ciaran

I would be grateful if anyone could help with this....

I use a humax 8001 ci...and it has not been updated since i bought it (i dont even think there is any updated software available..)

Now the problem is getting intelsat 10-02...on 1 west.. for 3 o clock prima and galaxie

My receiver has intelsat 707 as a pre-installed setting and is listed as 1 west...

now it seems that 707 is a different sat from 10-02...and that 707 is no longer on 1 west and has indeed been replaced by 10-02...now my question is, what info does the receiver have encoded into it in order to pick up a specific satellite...and will the setting on my system that will be looking for 707 on 1 west still pick up 10-02 on 1 west if i use 10-02 tp's...

i know this may be a daft question..but i dont know the answer and therefore have to ask

regards
ciarán.

It doesn't matter much that the receiver 'names' the satellite as Intel 707 when it is actually 10-02 or Thor or whatever. In fact you can change the name yourself. The two things you need are: (a) tell the receiver to go to 1w and (b) make sure the receiver has an up to date transponder list for 1w. You can use lyngsat.com to check the latter and also when trying to get 1w you can start by checking/using the BBC World transponder which is 11325 H 24500.

rise202 · 26-08-2008

Originally Posted by Analoguesat

From whats been said on several forums DigitAlb have been got at by the FAPL, and no 3pms will be shown until the end of the year.

They have also disappeared off Premiere - at least until the Bundesliga winter break.

The ONLY sourceo f 3pm kickoffs easily available now are on 1W.

(Im discounting Nilesat 7W because of the silly sized dishes most folk need!)

Hello, I don't understand why digitalb dosen't show anymore 3PM games???

Because there have the rights for all EPL games, like last season. The FA can't forbit digitalb or premiere to not show 3PM games!

I think that's very stupid that sky UK dosen't show 3PM for the reason of the crowd on stadium, because in every country (france, italie, spain, ect...) there is always the national brodcasters who show EVERY games in PPV! Even in INDIA there show 2 games of the EPL of 3PM!

**Analoguesat** · 26-08-2008

Originally Posted by rise202

Hello, I don't understand why digitalb dosen't show anymore 3PM games???

Because there have the rights for all EPL games, like last season. The FA can't forbit digitalb or premiere to not show 3PM games!

I think that's very stupid that sky UK dosen't show 3PM for the reason of the crowd on stadium, because in every country (france, italie, spain, ect...) there is always the national brodcasters who show EVERY games in PPV! Even in INDIA there show 2 games of the EPL of 3PM!

They can quite easily - the DigitAlb rights are up for renewal in the next year or so - and look what happened to ART when they couldn't / wouldn't stop the flow of cards into the UK

Like it or not about the 3pm kickoffs thats what the the PL / FA have decided they will do to protect the attendances at the lower league clubs

After all if you had a choice of staying at home in the warm and watching Man Utd v Chelsea with a few beers, or getting cold and soaking wet going to watch Grimsby v Macclesfield which one would you choose??

***wod*** · 26-08-2008

if people really want to watch football at 3pm or whatever then you need to pay a lot for a card to sky italia or canal digital to get the best option/choice unless you are in spain etc for showtime

as the cheap providers will get at due to them being inexpensive like art it was never going to last

i'm considering my options as i would pay for sky italia or whatever as thats what i like to watch football and the cost of going to the matches and include food/beers and travel would probably make it seem cheap as i would like to go to old trafford every week but a season ticket costs about the same as a year sub to sky italia

DUVET · 27-08-2008

So no 3pm Kick off's being shown. but how about early and late kick off's ?

would like to watch the late EPL kick off when i get home from football.

**Mickha** · 27-08-2008

Most games are still being shown, on Premiere and DigitAlb, only the Saturday 3 PM kick offs aren't.
But for the moment there is still a choice of Saturday 3PM games on 1 West and possibly DigitAlb will be showing Saturday 3 PM kick Offs from December, but we'll have to wait and see.

steford · 27-08-2008

Whilst it's annoying for us I still don't believe that this is a big enough problem in England for the FA to be that bothered. If it is and they are then lets hope they come up with something along the lines that the European FAs have with the entire top division programme being televised at the same time but at a different time to the lower leagues so we can get a season ticket for watching our teams at home and go to our local clubs also. I'm sure revenues would increase (which could still be shared amongst other clubs and used at grass roots level) and lower league attendences wouldn't be affected.

1emac9 · 27-08-2008

Originally Posted by steford

Whilst it's annoying for us I still don't believe that this is a big enough problem in England for the FA to be that bothered......the entire top division programme being televised at the same time but at a different time to the lower leagues

The FA is trying to protect teams Premier teams such as Bolton, Middlesbrough and Blackburn as well as lower league clubs who have low attendance. To them the idea of live 3pms to a UK audience is practically suicide. Having top league matches at different time to the lower leagues is a very thought provoking concept steford, one which could possibly work if certain issues were ironed out.

**Topper** · 27-08-2008

Originally Posted by 1emac9

The FA is trying to protect teams Premier teams such as Bolton, Middlesbrough and Blackburn as well as lower league clubs who have low attendance.

Well if they think that is the problem it shows that they have never got off their backsides and been to these places to find out what the real answers are. As soon as they did they would realise that in two of the three you mention they still have not recovered from the debilitating loss of King Cotton in terms of both textile machinery production cotton processing, weaving, dyeing and cloth production that took place 50 years ago. The infrastructure has never been successfully regenerated thus people cannot afford to pay premiership ticket prices. There is of course high unemployment and and high ethnicity in Blackburn, Bolton and surrounding areas and therefore culturally football match attendence is not high on their priority lists or agendas. However hats off to Blackburn for leading the way on cut price tickets, they could almost guarantee a maximum attendance when ticket prices were reduced albeit the majority of supporters were schoolchildren

**jimbo** · 28-08-2008

Footballers wages seem to be unsustainable for many clubs and this is why they are struggling. Premiership clubs get by ok but drop out of that league and lose the £30m or so and you have problems. Even 2 years parachute money doesn't fill the void when the team drops.

£20,000 a week for a prem player seems modest these days but the club would have to sell about 3,000 season tickets to pay that player. Multiply that 15 to 20 times. I think there has to be a new system of payment, maybe by results and forget paying annual salaries regardles of results.

steford · 28-08-2008

Originally Posted by 1emac9

The FA is trying to protect teams Premier teams such as Bolton, Middlesbrough and Blackburn as well as lower league clubs who have low attendance. To them the idea of live 3pms to a UK audience is practically suicide. Having top league matches at different time to the lower leagues is a very thought provoking concept steford, one which could possibly work if certain issues were ironed out.

It seems to me though that the Saturday AM and Saturday PM (non 3PM) games only really helps attendance at a local match by locals as it is almost impossible to watch one then get to the ground or watch after going to a local ground. For away supporters or those travelling a fair distance it's just as bad as having it on at 3PM. I also think many fans are happy to watch their team only (at whatever time either on TV or live) and aren't too interested in other matches live. I'm sure Bolton would prefer 100,000 watching on TV say (with TV season tickets or as one-offs) with a few thousand less in the stadium should that be a consequence of it.

I do think the FA is stuck in the past a little in this respect although they must have considered it and ruled it out before now.

1emac9 · 28-08-2008

Originally Posted by Topper

Well if they think that is the problem it shows that they have never got off their backsides and been to these places to find out what the real answers are. As soon as they did they would realise that in two of the three you mention they still have not recovered from the debilitating loss of King Cotton..........There is of course high unemployment and and high ethnicity in Blackburn, Bolton and surrounding areas and therefore culturally football match attendence is not high on their priority lists or agendas.

Yes ticket prices are high. £40 to £50 plus is a lot of money over the course of a season, not to mention the other costs that go into supporting you club every week!
I feel 3pm matches not being showed on DigitAlb shows how far the FA are willing to go to stop us from watching 3pms and deter us from subscribing to them in the first place. It's fairly 'hard line' tactics, I would not be in favor of this approach there taking.

DUVET · 28-08-2008

Does it effect sunday games on digitalb ?

i watch all the matches on a sunday last season, ca i do the same this year or do digitalb not so any EPL on a sunday any more ?

if someone could clear this up it would be great.

thanks

**Mickha** · 28-08-2008

As the thread states this only affects Saturday 3 PM Kick Offs, all other games are shown normally.
It is rumoured that DigitAlb have sold some of the games, Champions League and Cup games have been mentioned, but these are just rumours.

**ciaran** · 29-08-2008

Originally Posted by Mickha

Most games are still being shown, on Premiere and DigitAlb, only the Saturday 3 PM kick offs aren't.
But for the moment there is still a choice of Saturday 3PM games on 1 West and possibly DigitAlb will be showing Saturday 3 PM kick Offs from December, but we'll have to wait and see.

here lad,

much appreciated the help. got galaxie up and running for the toffees match tommorow...however this time tommorow i may not be so grateful when they thrash us...

louis saha...good god.

cheers again mate.

ciarán.

fersy · 02-10-2008

hi i had digitalb last year and the coverage of the prem was just what i wanted. it expired 2 weeks ago and i was going to renew it. however as a united fan i had not needed to watch it this season until last week as all the matches had been on sky and when i checked if the match was on i noticed they were not showing any 3pm kick offs.

so basically what im wondering is, are they not going to be showing 3pms any more? i heard a rumour that it was only until november then they would be showing them but why would that be?

basically i dont want to go forking out what has now gone up to a couple of hundred quid if their not showing 3pms as that was why i got it in the first place.

also is there any alternatives out there that show several matches at the same time as this did last season and art did before that?

cheers in advance

**Analoguesat** · 02-10-2008

DigitAlb have been got at by the FAPL. There will be no 3pm's until November at the earliest

***Zorba*** · 02-10-2008

Only Showtime show ALL live premier league,and at the same time.

**Analoguesat** · 02-10-2008

And you can forget Showtime in Northern Ireland - you would need a silly sized dish size for it!

**teide_ian** · 02-10-2008

LJ,S forum now has digitalb supersports 3pm games advertised for Sunday.
I will see if anything happens but i will be using a different channel in case.

***Zorba*** · 02-10-2008

Originally Posted by Analoguesat

And you can forget Showtime in Northern Ireland - you would need a silly sized dish size for it!

Can't be as silly as the dish size we need for BBC/ITV

fersy · 04-10-2008

cheers all. that sucks tbh

i was in a bar last week and was able to watch the united bolton game but i cant remember what channel it was. but i take it most of the others showing 3pms are only showing i match then?

apart from showtime obviously but i already knew it was a non starter for me.

thing i dont understand is if the epl had been onto digitalb and thats why they were currently not showing 3pms why would that change in nov? surely they would not be showing any all season.

i thought matbe this season they did not have the rights to show as many matches so they were only showing a smaller amount for the first couple of months so they could show their full program in the later months of the season.

does anybody know for a fact that they will show 3pms from november or is it just a rumour? cos im not buying a card to then find out there will be no sat 3pms as that would be a waste of money

fersy · 04-10-2008

Originally Posted by Mickha

It's the FA that decided showing Saturday 3 PM kick Offs have a detrimental effect on fans visiting the matches so banned any showing of Saturday 3 PM games in this country.
They decided selling the rights abroad, to foreign countries, which includes Ireland, would not have any detrimental effect on attendances.
This ruling now seems somewhat out of date as since S*y bought the rights to the Premiership there isn't as many Saturday 3 PM matches played.
The big arguement is whether it is television coverage that is hitting attendances or the overpricing of tickets, especially for family attendance.
With so many pubs now showing Saturday 3 PM games, with foreign subscriptions readily available, and undercutting S*y's ridiculous prices, the FA have acted.
Personally I think it's more to protect their television money, from S*y, than to enforce the act and improve attendances.

the thing i dont get about this is this, i live in northern ireland most people here are not going to be attending lower league english matches or whatever so why should we fall under this same rule. i mean setanta ireland can get the 3pms but we are not allowed to watch them even though were on the same island what a crock of s**t. if i lived in england i wouldnt need to watch 3pms as i'd be attending the matches

**Mickha** · 04-10-2008

With a motorized dish, and the right equipment, then you should still have a wide choice of football, including Saturday 3 PM Kick offs, for example:
Sunderland Vs Arsenal
Premiere 19E English Commentary
Prima_Cz and RTL 1W no english audio option
C+ Sport 1 1W

West Brom Vs Fulham
Galaxie Sport 1W English Audio
C+ Sport 2 1W English Audio

Wigan Vs Boro
C+ Sport Extra English Audio

Check liveonsat for full details but there are still available channels showing some games.

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