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Old 10-04-2007   #51
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Hmmm. sold all those a while ago, except the camera and tripod.
Still in the garage somewhere along with a lot of cine projection stuff and a Magnon SD-817M (Magsound - with sound), but I think it was in a suitcase that ended up under the car.
You sold them but they're still in the garage???

Anyways, I do like the SL-F1UB kit, it's very compact (well, the camera's not!!)...
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Here's a clever american (hmm, there's two words you don't often see together!!! ) advert on the US version of the SL-F1, the SL-2000 (same thing really, just the american ones had 2 or 3 speeds for their NTSC system)...

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I just found a PCM-F1 unit on Ebay , based in Köln, I wish I had the money to buy it!!! They can record CD-quality sound onto Betamax tapes, something VHS has never had (as far as I'm aware), making it far superior to anything leading up to DVD's!!!
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Just won a pair of Sony Betamovie BMC-500's on Ebay , spares/repairs though, but I still want them!!!
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I got my two Betamovie cameras this morning, and one still had a tape & battery in it!!!

Just need to try and get one powered to see if they work, but I need a 9.6V power supply (9 to 10v I'm sure is ok!!), but with a reversed polarity than is standard (Barrel plug with the pin being negative and the outer tube as positive), I may have blown the fuse which protects the camera(s), but fault that may only be linked to the BMC-100, but I haven't checked the fuse yet...
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Originally Posted by 2cvbloke View Post
I got my two Betamovie cameras this morning, and one still had a tape & battery in it!!!
A lot were used within the UK home porn industry, so you may have a neighbour in there. :
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A lot were used within the UK home porn industry, so you may have a neighbour in there. :
Well if it was used to film one of my neighbours then it'd be illegal!!!

Anyway, I can't seem to get the repairs one to work properly, it doesn't want to power up, I can get it to power up but it doesn't work properly, so I'm a bit stuck...

Anyway, the kit I bought is on it's way (the one in all the pictures I posted), so I'll be playing with that as soon as I get it...
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There were some old 80's home videos on that tape including thier yachting holiday (must have been rich people!!!), but the colours were amazing compared to VHS (this is actually the first time I've ever watched a Betamax tape (that I can remember!!!))!!!

But anyway, everything arrived, and unsurprisingly, the VHS recorder doesn't work properly!!!

The Sony Betamax VCR works perfectly though, as does the camera, but there's no batteries for it though, plenty of batteries for the VHS recorder though...

But I'm playing with the kit for as long as I can, whilst trying to see what's up with the VHS recorder (probably nackered belts)...
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Blue Ray is the new Betamax then?
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Blue Ray is the new Betamax then?
Probably, a higher quality product that will fail due to people not being that fussed about having superior image quality....
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It's rather old, about...3 years old? I don't think it will catch on. And yet they said that about telephones.

Quote: "The need to speak to people over short and long distances will never replace human contact, literally seeing eye to eye..."

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It's rather old, about...3 years old? I don't think it will catch on. And yet they said that about telephones.

Quote: "The need to speak to people over short and long distances will never replace human contact, literally seeing eye to eye..."

Dr Rubin Swinzkurt 1876.
I'm not sure how old Blueray is myself, but yeah, it's probably got the Sony curse, better but not popular enough...

As for that quote, well, we have things like MSN, ICQ and all that now!!!
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Well, in addition to my 8mm stuff, I'm also getting a Sony BMC-100P Betamovie camera, possibly working too as the Ebay auction said that the tape runs and ejects...

I like the shoulder strap that Sony put with the 100's and 200's...
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It arrived today with my 8mm Sony kit, and I can't power it up as I haven't got a decent ~9v PSU!!!

I did get a bit of life out of it when trying one PSU but I think that PSU blew as all of a sudden it went from being 10v to 15v!!!
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It was frequently argued that Betamax was better than VHS. The slightly higher tape to head speed did give a few more 'lines' resolution. The linear tape speed was slower than VHS and the track width narrower (33 microns against 49 microns) so there was a trade off in noise performance. Let's just say that a high end VHS machine would trounce a cheap Beta machine - and vice versa!

The basic Beta wrap mechanism and cassette shell is indeed still alive and well in broadcast circles albeit with limited running times for the small cassette (30mins. for BetacamSP).

I don't ever recall 2 inch Quad videotape ever being recovered from lofts or skips etc. - it's much too fraglie to cope with rough handling. Lost / found programmes are usually 16mm film. These film recordings were mainly produced for export (often b/w prints of colour programmes) and would come with both composite optical and separate magnetic soundtracks. Fortunately they tend to outlive the Quadruplex recordings, many of which were systematically wiped.

I've screened quite a few 16mm transmission copies from the BBC archives and they look surprisingly good. I do have a copy of The Basil Brush Show (1972). Sadly - it's monochrome (originally colour) !
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Originally Posted by BarMoo View Post
I'll take issue with some of the stuff you said max.

Betamax isn't U-Matic. If they were both the same, my cupboard wouldn't be full of U-Matic breeze-block-sized monsters.

Everybody talks about the rental fight between the formats - yet, people rarely comment on the actual differences between the two formats - and why beta was better.

Betamax produced better skin tonality (read: better colours) for one and, er, ....... that's about it really. Albeit, BetaHi-Fi rocked at the time.

Functionality and features wise - early model VHS machines were always coming out with better features before SONY (assholes) had them in their machines.

I remember going down to my local department store to specifically see the new range of SONY VHS machines. Sweet Justice (in hindsight).

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Thanks Max, you're absolutely right; Betamax and UMatic are very different formats. UMatic uses 3/4inch tape for a start. Though resolution is still only around 250 lines; in subjective terms it 'looks' much better than either Betamax or VHS. The high band version of UMatic (known as BVU) was broadcast standard, though not very widely used.
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