C4 now stopped in Poland

warpol · 05-08-2008

Hello, for the last 6 months i have been recieving ch4 & ch5 no problem using the normal EPG with a standard PACE sky digibox and around a 1/1.2m dish in Warsaw poland. Yesterday during late afternoon/early evening ch4 has just stopped saying 'no satellite reception'. Any ideas what has happened or what i could do?

**satelliteman** · 05-08-2008

Welcome to Satellites forum,

Channel 4 as of yesterday has moved over to Astra 2d spot beam. This is where the BBC & ITV broadcast. Those that are in fringe areas require larger dishes in order to pull in this beam.

http://www.satellites.co.uk/satellit...4-10-729v.html

http://www.satellites.co.uk/satellit...nnel-4-2d.html

Hope this helps

SatMan

warpol · 05-08-2008

Originally Posted by satelliteman

Welcome to Satellites forum,

Channel 4 as of yesterday has moved over to Astra 2d spot beam. This is where the BBC & ITV broadcast. Those that are in fringe areas require larger dishes in order to pull in this beam.

http://www.satellites.co.uk/satellit...4-10-729v.html

http://www.satellites.co.uk/satellit...nnel-4-2d.html

Hope this helps

SatMan

Thanks SatMan, now i know the reason. Very annoying as that was the main channel we watched. Do you have any idea how big a dish we might need now, would 1.5m be enough do you think?

Is there any other way we could get C4 without a bigger dish, i.e. adding one in other channels somehow?

***deepbluesky*** · 06-08-2008

This map shows you roughly the situation in some locations in Poland: http://forum.skysunsat.pl/imgshack/_f/f_0002230.jpg

I'd recommend asking also here: _http://forum.skysunsat.pl/282e-%3Cb%3Eeurobird-1-astra-2a-2b-2c-2d%3C-b%3E-vf93.htm?sid=36440e9c924d15e2f23c8cc08477fbb0

rbfinland · 06-08-2008

I had the same problem here in Finland, but you can still get C4 +1 on channel 135, better than no channl 4 :-)

**satelliteman** · 06-08-2008

ATM, lol

***Zorba*** · 06-08-2008

If you tune into the original ch4 frequency-12.168 V then you will find ch4l test .add it to other channels and you can still watch ch4.till it goes off?

***Zorba*** · 06-08-2008

Originally Posted by warpol

Is there any other way we could get C4 without a bigger dish, i.e. adding one in other channels somehow?

Do you not get BBC from 2D ? If you know anyone that does,what size dish do they have? That's the size dish needed for the "new" ch4

geoffreys · 07-08-2008

Originally Posted by zorba

If you tune into the original ch4 frequency-12.168 V then you will find ch4l test .add it to other channels and you can still watch ch4.till it goes off?

Thanks for that Zorba, it gives us a brief respite. No getting away from the fact that for many 1000s of us expat Brits the moving of Ch4 to the 2D satellite is a bitter blow. Already we had to put up with no BBC or ITV since about 2003 - unless we spend 1000s of pounds on a huge dish.
I suspect many will now give up their SKY subscriptions,
Geoff
Cyprus

**satelliteman** · 07-08-2008

I suspect many will now give up their SKY subscriptions,

what from losing Ch4 ? lol

**geoffrey** · 07-08-2008

Channel 4HD is still OK in Israel (and ordinary Channel 4+1 most of the time). I got an HD box especially to get Channel 4 so I hope its not going to go.

**satelliteman** · 07-08-2008

sshhhhh

warpol · 07-08-2008

Thanks for that deepbluesky and rb finland. Yes C4+1 works still, for quite a while yet i hope! Trouble is that makes programs on at 9/10 in UK normal time at 11/12 at night, a little late for me, but i guess better than nothing.

Yes thanks for that also Zorba will give it a go.

**Analoguesat** · 07-08-2008

Originally Posted by geoffreys

Thanks for that Zorba, it gives us a brief respite. No getting away from the fact that for many 1000s of us expat Brits the moving of Ch4 to the 2D satellite is a bitter blow. Already we had to put up with no BBC or ITV since about 2003 - unless we spend 1000s of pounds on a huge dish.
I suspect many will now give up their SKY subscriptions,
Geoff
Cyprus

They arent supposed to be watching anyway

C4 isnt part of the sky subscription

Out of area reception is always a luxury which can be modified at any time. - C5 will likely be the next one to disappear for you

**satelliteman** · 07-08-2008

C5 will likely be the next one to disappear for you

God knows where on 2d that will be placed

geoffreys · 07-08-2008

Originally Posted by Analoguesat

They arent supposed to be watching anyway

C4 isnt part of the sky subscription

Out of area reception is always a luxury which can be modified at any time. - C5 will likely be the next one to disappear for you

Whether we are supposed to be watching (SKY) or not, we ARE paying.
If we all stop paying then YOU, in UK, will finish up paying more.
Poetic justice perhaps?
May you live in interesting times.

By the way, EU legislation states that an EU National residing in another EU country should be allowed to watch his home country's satellite transmissions, e.g. British Expat like me living in South Cyprus. This would be easy for SKY to introduce with a seperate issue of viewing card with channels scrambled/encrypted, then they wouldn't need to use the UK Spot beams. QED?????

Geoff

**woborny** · 07-08-2008

Originally Posted by geoffreys

By the way, EU legislation states that an EU National residing in another EU country should be allowed to watch his home country's satellite transmissions

i think that part was under the freedom of information, but there is another part somewhere that also recognises how tv contracts across europe work - typical confusing eu regs.
the beeb satisfies the eu regs for freedowm of info over europe for british expats by BBC World and BBC Prime.
but they do allow you to watch your countries tv - its not their fault you have to pay for a mega dish to do so....

**digi24** · 07-08-2008

Originally Posted by geoffreys

Thanks for that Zorba, it gives us a brief respite. No getting away from the fact that for many 1000s of us expat Brits the moving of Ch4 to the 2D satellite is a bitter blow. Already we had to put up with no BBC or ITV since about 2003 - unless we spend 1000s of pounds on a huge dish.
I suspect many will now give up their SKY subscriptions,
Geoff
Cyprus

ITV has (only recently) become viewable without a huge dish m8 !
Also C4L and C4+1 are still there (and encrypted which gives some comfort for the time being that they might not be in extreme rush to remove them). May be the case is that C4 follows the steps of ITV's recent reshuffle.

The time will prove who is right and who is not

**Analoguesat** · 07-08-2008

Originally Posted by geoffreys

By the way, EU legislation states that an EU National residing in another EU country should be allowed to watch his home country's satellite transmissions, e.g. British Expat like me living in South Cyprus. This would be easy for SKY to introduce with a seperate issue of viewing card with channels scrambled/encrypted, then they wouldn't need to use the UK Spot beams. QED?????

Geoff

Even if Sky did introduce such a system seeing as the BBC, ITV, soon to be C4 and C5 have broken free from the shackles of Sky's encryption - (which has allowed the development of PSB Freesat) - it wouldnt help you in the slightest as they channels are nothing whatsoever to do with Sky apart from paying the epg fees.

Or maybe you think the whole Freesat idea should be dismantled just so a few thousand expats can watch Eastenders??

**satelliteman** · 07-08-2008

.......& Holby

***Zorba*** · 07-08-2008

So ch4 have gone fta,so they have gone to a "smaller" beam.But we can still receive it here,so whats the point ?They surely must get feedback from websites and forums and realise that we can still get ch4 so I repeat,what's the point?

**Analoguesat** · 07-08-2008

Its a fiction maintained by the broadcasters and the usa programme makers that theres very little overspill. Yes everybody knows theres out of area leakage but its ignored.

Its a case of making it a little difficult to do - if I put a 3 or 4m dish in the garden I could have all the 7W channels easy as anything (if I chopped a few trees down first!) but its too much hassle and too expensive for me to bother. Same principlewith Astra 2D.

Of course the next generation of satellites could easily make things far harder for the expat community - I can think of several evil ways of stopping expat reception with technology that is available today!

***trigger*** · 07-08-2008

Analoguesat keep quiet or "They" will kidnap you and extract the info. An*l probes and stuff. Not good.

**woborny** · 07-08-2008

Originally Posted by Analoguesat

I can think of several evil ways of stopping expat reception with technology that is available today!

AS is turning in Dr Evil!!!!!!!!

Spare us expats Mr Evil!!!!!

***trigger*** · 07-08-2008

Seriously I think as long as "they" are seen to do the right thing then that's good enough.
I´ve said before Murdoch´s Mob would loose too much money if everything was lost to expats.
The big surprise to me is why Canal+ Spain, Greek Nova etc do nothing to stop the encroachment within their areas. Think of the money they could generate if they supplied the right programming to Expats.

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