Huge difference between 28.2 and 28.5, what can i do?

***Huevos*** · 26-04-2009

No, I'm not mistaking them. I was saying I put a Darkgold on my dish and picked up signal compared to an Invacom quad + CM feed. Personally I would use this LNB before the Invacom or the Darkgold but it just happened that I had a Darkgold to hand.

Yes the LNB is sold like this. What other details did you want.

**kamaleon** · 26-04-2009

Ok sorry, that wasn't very clear. Glad it is now

Anyway I'm still a bit confused now, you think the inverto modded one performs better than the darkgold?

Well can you say the name of the dealer that sells those strange lnbs? And who makes the mod? I imagine Inverto don't sell them like that, right?

***Huevos*** · 26-04-2009

Originally Posted by kamaleon

Anyway I'm still a bit confused now, you think the inverto modded one performs better than the darkgold?

In my personal test the Darkgold standard offset LNB received transponders that the Invacom/CM feedhorn couldn't.

Originally Posted by kamaleon

Well can you say the name of the dealer that sells those strange lnbs? And who makes the mod? I imagine Inverto don't sell them like that, right?

As for the modified Inverto it's a very common prime focus LNB here and I'd rather use it over the alternatives. As far as I know only one outlet sells it (DSS) and it's probably their own mod.

**kamaleon** · 26-04-2009

So your reasoning is that this inverto is better than the darkgold which is better than the invacom quad / CM...

What I don't get it is why are you keen on choosing the inverto over the darkgold if you haven't tried it? Sorry not trying to be picky or arrogant here, just trying to understand

***Huevos*** · 26-04-2009

Originally Posted by kamaleon

So your reasoning is that this inverto is better than the darkgold which is better than the invacom quad / CM...

What I don't get it is why are you keen on choosing the inverto over the darkgold if you haven't tried it? Sorry not trying to be picky or arrogant here, just trying to understand

Well first I didn't choose the Inverto, my dish has a Darkgold on it at the minute. When I have an Inverto here I'll do a side by side test. The reason I like the Inverto is because I haven't seen a better C/N from any LNB on a prime focus dish. Based on that I'd guess this LNB would beat the Darkgold, but it's just a guess based on the above reasoning.

By the way I wasn't saying one was better than another, I was merely sharing my findings in certain situations. The Invacom has a very good reputation, I'm just waiting for someone to tell me a test to show where it is superior.

**kamaleon** · 27-04-2009

Ok, sorry perhaps I misread, when you said

Originally Posted by Huevos

Personally I would use this LNB before the Invacom or the Darkgold

I thought you meant you would prefer or choose the inverto over the invacom or darkgold...
Also when you mention C/N is this on paper? I still don't get it, you say you've never seen a better C/N on a prime focus dish, so you did test it? I'm all mixed up here, I must certainly be a bit stiff

Sure the invacom has a great reputation, but on the C120 scene there ain't many competitors, so reputations are to be taken lightly sometimes. If you had better results with the darkgold over the invacom that should be taken into account. That's what I would call being better... but ok I recognize those weren't your words...

***Huevos*** · 27-04-2009

Originally Posted by kamaleon

when you mention C/N is this on paper? I still don't get it, you say you've never seen a better C/N on a prime focus dish, so you did test it? I'm all mixed up here, I must certainly be a bit stiff

Looks like we are going around in circles here.

I don't have a standard Inverto Black Ultra here, but when I do I will run a direct test against the Darkgold.
I have never looked at a spec sheet for any of these LNB's.
C/N figures come from my Satcatcher Excel-TV meter (post #24).
I see the modified Inverto Black Ultra and all versions of the C120 Invacom on prime focus dishes on a daily basis.
Since the dishes are fixed sizes I know with each LNB and dish combination roughly what C/N to expect.
I have never used an unmodified Inverto Black Ultra, but based on what I see daily with the modified version I would imagine that it is a damn good LNB.

Also, some LNB's exhibit good C/N but selectively null out certain weak transponders. In my experience the Inverto does not suffer from this problem.

**kamaleon** · 27-04-2009

Originally Posted by Huevos

Looks like we are going around in circles here.

We sure do

I don't have a standard Inverto Black Ultra here, but when I do I will run a direct test against the Darkgold.

Cool, that would def be interesting.

I have never looked at a spec sheet for any of these LNB's. C/N figures come from my Satcatcher Excel-TV meter (post #24).

Well reading post 24, C/N figures relate to the Darkgold and the Invacom. Not the Inverto. Reading the post 31 you say they also come from the Inverto ("The reason I like the Inverto is because I haven't seen a better C/N from any LNB on a prime focus dish."). Still you say you don't have an Inverto black ultra. What you're really meaning, is, you've never installed it on your dish, or you've never installed it on any dish, you've just plugged your meter to already installed dishes. Correct? You must recognise that for someone whose native tongue ain't english, his little head can get a bit screwed up sometimes. That's my case

I see the modified Inverto Black Ultra and all versions of the C120 Invacom on prime focus dishes on a daily basis.
Since the dishes are fixed sizes I know with each LNB and dish combination roughly what C/N to expect.

You see them daily, but I'm not sure what you mean by "seeing". But nevermind.

I have never used an unmodified Inverto Black Ultra, but based on what I see daily with the modified version I would imagine that it is a damn good LNB.Also, some LNB's exhibit good C/N but selectively null out certain weak transponders. In my experience the Inverto does not suffer from this problem.

Ok, I think I'm starting to understand what you're saying. You have never done a direct test between inverto and darkgold or invacom, but based on your C/N readings you believe it should perform better.

Cheerio and thanks for the infos, and please do keep us updated when you try it

***Huevos*** · 27-04-2009

Originally Posted by kamaleon

Still you say you don't have an Inverto black ultra. What you're really meaning, is, you've never installed it on your dish, or you've never installed it on any dish

Of course I've got one, how do you think I posted the picture. The one I have is for a prime focus dish though so it is not possible to do a direct comparison with a Darkgold. When I have an unmodified one (i.e. LNBF) I will do a test. And, yes I have installed them on dishes, I do it all the time. What I haven't done is a side by side field test.

**kamaleon** · 27-04-2009

It's all good now

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