ITV / C4 & possible beam changes affecting fringe reception areas

**satelliteman** · 26-08-2009

...and a reduced signal in the South west. Ah, so maybe the downlink beam has been reduced or shifted more towards the East.

itjlbbg · 26-08-2009

Originally Posted by satelliteman

...and a reduced signal in the South west. Ah, so maybe the downlink beam has been reduced or shifted more towards the East.

In this case the move would be intentional,maybe to allow ITV to stop using encryption on those regions?

**Analoguesat** · 26-08-2009

Originally Posted by itjlbbg

In this case the move would be intentional,maybe to allow ITV to stop using encryption on those regions?

No - they need to be on 2D to go fta.

**pipino** · 26-08-2009

was just wondring how are getting ESPN (12.304) accross those fringe areas??

***Huevos*** · 27-08-2009

Reading this thread got me fiddling. I haven't been able to receive anything from the north beams for several months. Two days ago I even deleted all those channels from my receiver. Anyway I just had a check and there was just a sniff of signal (S20, Q30). Played with the dish alignment. When I go 5 clicks (Jaegar 1224) to the east of having 2D nailed I get S65, Q99. Tried the same going west and a similar thing happens , this time S40, Q80. Downloaded the latest TLE's and all satellites are within 0.05º of their correct positions.

Could it be that the power output of one (or more) of the transponders on the south beam has increased and is flooding the receiver, knocking out north beam reception for some people? Doesn't explain signal increase to the east though.

**Analoguesat** · 27-08-2009

Umm I wonder - can someone blind scan 31E and see if anything new has fired up on Turksat 1C or Astra 2C??

I know the old Turksat is putting out a big signal - she can be picked up on badly aligned Sky dishes here in the UK!

deejay · 27-08-2009

Hi All. I receive Channel 4 Itv in Gozo Malta but only periodically through the day ie Channel 4 from 6pm to 830pm. ITV is stronger with only minor break up in the morning. Channel 4 was always been on the edge with my system but I now receive just pixallation most of the day where as before I would only loose the pic when it rained. So the signal is still there for these channels but slightly weaker. If you optimize your setup it can be sorted

hagaar · 27-08-2009

Please excuse my non technical post but I have limited knowledge of how the whole system works.

But, someone asked if channels had been lost in Greece.

I can confirm that in the last 2 days we have lost Channel 4, More4, E4, TT4, Blighty and ITV1 which we watched using the 'Other Channels' option. However, we have gained SKY Arts2.

We are just not receiving a signal anymore.

Hope this information helps people work out what has happened.

Hagaar

**satelliteman** · 27-08-2009

Puzzling, could be looking at reduced beam pattern rather than a shift

SueL · 27-08-2009

I am also in Corfu, Greece, and I still have channel 4 and E4. At the moment I stillhave ITV although it keeps breaking up. I have a 1.20m dish, if this makes a difference.

Jimmy H · 27-08-2009

Originally Posted by satelliteman

Puzzling, could be looking at reduced beam pattern rather than a shift

That doesn't explain why some areas are receiving significant increases in signal.

***Huevos*** · 27-08-2009

Originally Posted by Analoguesat

Umm I wonder - can someone blind scan 31E and see if anything new has fired up on Turksat 1C or Astra 2C??

I know the old Turksat is putting out a big signal - she can be picked up on badly aligned Sky dishes here in the UK!

I did a blind scan of 31.5E and there is nothing there except a bit of breakthrough from Arabsat 2B. Anyway I don't think it is a signal from another satellite because the people affected are people with big dishes. Just checked again with my 1.5m dish and I can't receive the north beam when the dish is pointed straight at the Astra 2 cluster but I am getting Q99 a few clicks either side of the centreline.

**geoffrey** · 27-08-2009

I noticed today that Fox News (Ch 509 on Astra 2B North) had stopped working. On further investigation it seems that a whole raft of Astra 2B North beam channels that I used to be able to get have gone - but in compensation many new Astra 2A North beam channels have become receivable. Previously I could only get tp40 from Astra 2A North (12480V) with Channel 4+1 etc
The list of changes is as follows:
2A North Channels now receivable :
133 Gold+1
155 Watch+1
158 Dave ja vu
209 Alibi +1
211 Bio HD UK
247 Home+1
250 Good food Channel+1
335 Sky Movies Action and Thriller HD
534 Blighty
544 Nat Geo Wild HD
545 History HD UK
840 Sikh Channel

2B North Channels that have gone:
193 FX UK HD
257 Sky Arts 2
258 SkyArts 1 HD
360 4Music
362 Smash! Hits TV
363 Magic
368 Kerrang!
509 Fox News
536 Discovery HD Europe
631 Disney Cinemagic UK HD

Can anyone this end of the med (Israel or Cyprus) confirm - Langsat don't as yet show any changes.

**Analoguesat** · 27-08-2009

Originally Posted by geoffrey

I noticed today that Fox News (Ch 509 on Astra 2B North) had stopped working. On further investigation it seems that a whole raft of Astra 2B North beam channels that I used to be able to get have gone - but in compensation many new Astra 2A North beam channels have become receivable. Previously I could only get tp40 from Astra 2A North (12480V) with Channel 4+1 etc
The list of changes is as follows:
2A North Channels now receivable :
133 Gold+1
155 Watch+1
158 Dave ja vu
209 Alibi +1
211 Bio HD UK
247 Home+1
250 Good food Channel+1
335 Sky Movies Action and Thriller HD
534 Blighty
544 Nat Geo Wild HD
545 History HD UK
840 Sikh Channel

2B North Channels that have gone:
193 FX UK HD
257 Sky Arts 2
258 SkyArts 1 HD
360 4Music
362 Smash! Hits TV
363 Magic
368 Kerrang!
509 Fox News
536 Discovery HD Europe
631 Disney Cinemagic UK HD

Can anyone this end of the med (Israel or Cyprus) confirm - Langsat don't as yet show any changes.

To avoid duplication of info Ive merged this into the existing Cyprus discussion

geoffreys · 27-08-2009

Since yesterday we have had a 3 dBM increase in signal on:
12480V Ch4, Ch4+1, More4, E4, etc group.
12402V ITV1 (all regions)
All 27500, 2/3

We can now get those channels 24/7, which before were variable.
However, we cannot get Fox News (SKY Ch 506) now, breaking up.

I wonder if the 2A/2B satelites have been repositioned, to get Outer Hebrides etc a better signal, which has also improved the coverage here in Cyprus??!!

Any comments folks?
Geoff
Hot and Sunny Cyprus.

**satelliteman** · 27-08-2009

Originally Posted by geoffreys

Since yesterday we have had a 3 dBM increase in signal on:
12480V Ch4, Ch4+1, More4, E4, etc group.
12402V ITV1 (all regions)
All 27500, 2/3

We can now get those channels 24/7, which before were variable.
However, we cannot get Fox News (SKY Ch 506) now, breaking up.

I wonder if the 2A/2B satelites have been repositioned, to get Outer Hebrides etc a better signal, which has also improved the coverage here in Cyprus??!!

Any comments folks?
Geoff
Hot and Sunny Cyprus.

Another post also merged into existing Cyprus discussion - SM

**Uk2cyp** · 27-08-2009

I hope they spread the footprint the same as 1H-19E receivable on my 80cm in cy

Originally Posted by geoffreys

Since yesterday we have had a 3 dBM increase in signal on:
12480V Ch4, Ch4+1, More4, E4, etc group.
12402V ITV1 (all regions)
All 27500, 2/3

We can now get those channels 24/7, which before were variable.
However, we cannot get Fox News (SKY Ch 506) now, breaking up.

I wonder if the 2A/2B satelites have been repositioned, to get Outer Hebrides etc a better signal, which has also improved the coverage here in Cyprus??!!

Any comments folks?
Geoff
Hot and Sunny Cyprus.

**Analoguesat** · 27-08-2009

Originally Posted by Uk2cyp

I hope they spread the footprint the same as 1H-19E receivable on my 80cm in cy

If they did that the uk would lose our signal

You forget the Astra 2A/B craft do not have such a wide coverage area as the Astra 1's

Sat Sergeant · 27-08-2009

12402 and 12480 still clearly received in Peyia, Paphos region Cyprus 7pm local time today 27th.

**satelliteman** · 27-08-2009

Varying reports all over.

So, fair to say possible beam footprint shift to more Easterly and/or power output changes of one or both North beams. Certainly keeping this thread active

timo_w2s · 27-08-2009

Interesting thread, I came here looking for info as in Finland some Astra 2A and 2B south transponders have got significantly weaker in the last few days. I'm now struggling to pick up some channels 24 hours a day with a 1.8m in Helsinki.

**Uk2cyp** · 27-08-2009

Originally Posted by Analoguesat

If they did that the uk would lose our signal

You forget the Astra 2A/B craft do not have such a wide coverage area as the Astra 1's

A mere mortal like me wouldnt know that

I was comparing the 2 footprints very similar

**geoffrey** · 27-08-2009

Originally Posted by Analoguesat

To avoid duplication of info Ive merged this into the existing Cyprus discussion

Thanks - I agree it belongs in this thread - but would it not be better to rename the thread to something that says its about the 2A and 2B North Beams - because its seems that what's going on is more than just changes to single transponders.

***Zorba*** · 27-08-2009

Yes the signal has definately improved over here in Cyprus. Actually I was in Peyia fixing a dish and while driving back a workmate told me that he got a fantastic reading on his roversat for 12.402 on a 2.7m dish ,and the next job i went to was in Limassol and on the customers 2.4m i tuned it in and ITV came up really good. Then I tuned in 12.480 and that came up perfectly so now we got CH4 and E4 working, so maybe a 1.8 even 1.5 will work. will check tomorrow.

***woborny*** · 27-08-2009

i have just had an interesting conversation with someone who knows most things about whats happening satellite wise and has good "satellite operator connections" who has said that that one of the transponders on the Astra 2B satellite has been expected to go "pop" since about June time.....and thats why one of them was moved to the Astra 2A satellite. he could not remember which of the two it was.
he said the other frequency was done also, but had no explanation as to why...

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