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08-01-2007
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My System: 2.4m dish with pace digibox, in Peyia, near Paphos |
Hi I currently have a 2.4m dish - the one with the pre-drilled holes to take the extensions. I have been offered a change to a 2.7m new dish - using LNB off old one OR from another company, the extensions fitted, plus strengthening of the dish - takes it to 3.1m The dish is on the ground in a sheltered area. Q: Which solutions "should" offer the best reception? I currently get channel5, Sky1, no BBC, ITV, get Sky news, no BBC news24 etc. I was told that the dish was better replaced with more solid 2.7m one by one supplier, and that extending it and strengthening would be better by another.... confused! | ||
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Blog Entries: 5 My System: Pace Sky HD, DM7000s, CubeRevo 3000HDPVR, Transparent 80cm Dish, Moteck SG2100 DiseqC motor, lots of legacy gear. Meters: Satlook Digital NIT, Televes H45 Digital Spectrum analyser. | May be a six of one and half a dozen of the other type answer, you will have to wait for one of our members on the spot to answer your question, we have several in Cyprus and I'm sure that they'll pick up on this.  | ||
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My System: 3.1m Famaval on 28.2, 1.5m offset on 19.2e, 13e & 7e all mixed in a spaghetti of wires and going into a dream thingy. |
 you, don't touch him with a 20ft barge pole!!! I fit these extendable 'Famaval' dishes all the time (and own one myself). I'd have one ahead of ANY 2.7m on the market and especially the type that the so called 'supplier' is about to land you with. I have no doubt it is an East european antenna as imported to the Island by Astrosat. If I am wrong and it is a 'DH' Antenna then I have slightly misjudged but believe me the Famaval is still better.If you do go for the 2.7m option then PM me and I will buy the Famaval from you!  Hope that helps Nick | |||
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My System: 3.0m Motorised Channel Master 4 fixed dish SKY_HD DM7020s Vsat Kathrein UFS-910 HD |
So are you saying Famaval 2.3m is better than 2.7m DH? Maybe best to have more detailed info about this 2.7 before giving a healthy advice.. | |||
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My System: 3.1m Famaval on 28.2, 1.5m offset on 19.2e, 13e & 7e all mixed in a spaghetti of wires and going into a dream thingy. |
The questioner was asking weather he should ditch his 2.3m Fammy in favour of a 2.7m or extend this 2.3m Famaval. Answer is obvious (even if it was a DH) the Famaval with extensions is far superiour. Fact is I suspect it may not be a DH at all. In my admittedly limited experience, the type of person that will sell a higher quality and more expensive dish such as the DH, would tend to offer Extension petals to this particular customer. Its the cowboys peddling their tat that would recommend the 2.7m...........my opinion! In its unextended form the 2.3m Famaval is not as good as the DH OR the east european copies. In the end there is no substitute for size (Quote from my wife )Bear in mind my last dish was a 2.7m DH Hope that clears up that misunderstanding Cheers Nick PS Extending his famaval should be cheaper too!! | |||
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My System: 3.0m Motorised Channel Master 4 fixed dish SKY_HD DM7020s Vsat Kathrein UFS-910 HD | I am not doubting the info you supplied M8...Just inquiring this for myself.. I dont have much experience on the mid range dishes used on yor side of the island.... I might import Famaval for my installations in the North... | ||
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| I have a question, you seem to sell alot of DH in your region. How has it been with shipping these dishes from the U.S? has any been damaged during the transport or have you been lucky? Do they ship them in wooden crates? | ||
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My System: 3.1m Famaval on 28.2, 1.5m offset on 19.2e, 13e & 7e all mixed in a spaghetti of wires and going into a dream thingy. |
As for damage, I'm afraid I can't comment but I'll ask next time I talk to Theo or his son. From talks I've had with them in the past I think they are well packaged. ICEMAN The Famaval is stocked by MP Sat in Nicosia (as if you didn't know that already ) I know they will hold BBC on the East coast of the island but obviously not all day. I suspect it will be something like fitting a 2.7m in Limassol....just not quite big enough. Tell you what, get one and I'll show you how to fit it and then you show me the Jonsa ... I'm definately on a winner with that deal.Cheers Nick | |||
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My System: 3.0m Motorised Channel Master 4 fixed dish SKY_HD DM7020s Vsat Kathrein UFS-910 HD |
I just want a mid size dish for people who dont want 2D but would like to have the movies etc...I am looking for a way to bring one over (considering the size not so easy) and do some testing in Kyrenia before i go ahead and order a container load.. As to Jonsa install,my offer is still open...you are welcome to come & watch me build one anytime you want.. | |||
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My System: 3.1m Famaval on 28.2, 1.5m offset on 19.2e, 13e & 7e all mixed in a spaghetti of wires and going into a dream thingy. |
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Give my regards to George & Theo from Future... | |||
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My System: 3.1m Famaval on 28.2, 1.5m offset on 19.2e, 13e & 7e all mixed in a spaghetti of wires and going into a dream thingy. |
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08-01-2007
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My System: 2.4m dish with pace digibox, in Peyia, near Paphos | Thanks for the replies.. I will now go for the extensions. Bloke did offer to spend 5 hours strengthening dish as well and a 5-year warranty, so here's hoping! Jim | ||
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10-01-2007
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I have seen them come in a 40ft container. 120 dishes in the container and 40 on a pallet at an angle with the fittings stored underneath. | |||
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12-01-2007
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My System: 3m(sky),1.8m(astr/hotbird),1m (nilesat)1m(arabsat)diseqc 4,sky plus,humax freesat,visionet 8000s,technomate 5400 ci+ usb super. Satlook nit colour + Horizon hdsm. wii  | Heres my ten cents worth.This is from my experience and I have been "doing dishes" before sky started.The 2.4 Famaval are the best of that size in Cyprus.The 2.7 DH has better reception.The famaval with extensions is better than the 2.7 but is unstable in strong winds(especially Paphos)and needs to be stabilised(but if you will ever need to move the dish you have to dismantle the extensions and reassemble,not recommended).The 3m Dh is better than the 2.4m with extensions.I have installed many 2.4m when bbc was okay,many 2.7m and even more 3m.It depends what the customer can afford,extending the 2.4 is cheaper and less hassle than selling it cheap and starting all over again.Lately we have been busy with the second hand dishes that we took in part exchange,luckily some people just want the sky package and not worried about bbc/itv. To Iceman,you are better off going for the Famaval because if signals do go bad then you have a choice of extending. Ps will you teach me about 4.2s also? I have a good collection of spanners  | ||
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PS..Thanx for the Famaval tip...you just confirmed what i had in mind.. | |||
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13-01-2007
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My System: 3.1m Famaval on 28.2, 1.5m offset on 19.2e, 13e & 7e all mixed in a spaghetti of wires and going into a dream thingy. |
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14-01-2007
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My System: 3.7 antennae fixed , 1m antennae fixed, 1.3m fixed, 1.0m fixed |
Hmm sorry guys, I beg to differ.. My meter and real life results tells me different.. I'll take a 2.4 Famaval with extensions - suitabably "beefed up" - over a 3.0m DH.. ( deep / shallow) *ANYDAY* The DH is a far stronger ( construction -wise ) as standard, but the Famaval, with strengthening is more efficient at pulling in marginal signals. When the 3.0m DH is losing BBC / ITV in summer months, the ( correctly built) Famaval, will hold the signal. 3.0m DH are more expensive to buy, but quicker to build... It is well worth the time to invest in getting the best from Famavals, but if the extensions are not supported, after a time, one might as well have only a 2.4m :-( The std Famaval construction, when the extensions are added is CRAP.. the dish cannot cope with the extra weight / windage factor, and it will move in strong winds. Once decent extentions are fitted, this dish will outperform a DH3.0m .. the question is.. is your time worth the effort to obtain the best ?!! | ||
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My System: 3.7 antennae fixed , 1m antennae fixed, 1.3m fixed, 1.0m fixed |
I understand that the "eastern european copies" *ARE* DH dishes, just using inferior local mounts and bases, often fitted without the back braces. | |||
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14-01-2007
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There is only one feed that work at f/d 0.30 and below,Seavey. I know because i worked with deep large dishes in the good old days, you will see major improvement if you use Seavey with those dishes. I guess you use Invacom feedhorn right? Of what i have seen of the Invacom feed you can adjust it but it lacks one or two choke rings to perform good at those low f/d's | |||
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My System: 3.1m Famaval on 28.2, 1.5m offset on 19.2e, 13e & 7e all mixed in a spaghetti of wires and going into a dream thingy. |
I am a big fan of Famavals, I own one myself and put a fair few up too. However even I would generally conceed that the Extended Famaval cannot out perform the 3m DH (I have only ever worked on the shallow version). I am also VERY open minded. The only bracing I put on my Fammy's are wires from the Elevation hinge bolts and the bottom of the ring, which are only for wind bracing. What other stuff are you talking about? Is it those triangular things that are bolted between petals that I see in Paphos? How exactly do they work? How do you set them? Sorry for all the questions, unlike many of the other out there I do not rely on Sat Installation for a living so I am willing to spend the time - even if it is on my own dish! Cheers Nick | |||
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My System: 3.1m Famaval on 28.2, 1.5m offset on 19.2e, 13e & 7e all mixed in a spaghetti of wires and going into a dream thingy. |
I don't think so, though I may be wrong. The DH has a focal length of 36" = 91cm. The 'other sort' have a focal length of 80cm (ish...it's been an age since I worked on one - either way its nowhere near 91cm) I have heard from different places that they are of east european origin. Cheers Nick | |||
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My System: 3.1m Famaval on 28.2, 1.5m offset on 19.2e, 13e & 7e all mixed in a spaghetti of wires and going into a dream thingy. |
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15-01-2007
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Anyway, Patriot is their distributor in the U.S and they have their feeds http://www.sepatriot.com/feeds_seavey.htm All Seavey feeds are customized so you specify which f/d you need. Very expensive, we are talking about $800-1,000 for a feed/polarizer. But they perform wonder. | |||
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