DTT Started in Israel

ronbarak · 10-09-2009

Originally Posted by HB13DISH

This manual doesn't show the DVB-T spec.
Can you please confirm it supports only MPEG-2?

After more Googling, I found the Intel CE6230 Chipset is the result of Intel Corporation acquiring the UK-based, Radio Frequency (RF) front-end consumer business of Zarlink Semiconductor Limited.

Also, I found the following document CE6230 - COFDM demodulator with USB interface for PC-TV Data Sheet (March 29, 2007, Revision 1,1, _http://download.intel.com/design/celect/datashts/D75934.pdf
where it's stated: "... In isochronous transfer mode the CE6230 has the ability to insert a header before each MPEG transport stream transfer. The length of the header can be from 1 to 4 bytes but will usually be set to 2 for compliance with the Device Class Definition for Video Devices with MPEG2-TS Payload..."
And nothing is mentioned for MPEG4.
Now, this is a two years old document, so it may be the the Intel® CE 9500 “Stick” Reference Design _http://download.intel.com/design/celect/refdesign/31543301.pdf does support more than is stated there.

ronbarak · 10-09-2009

Originally Posted by HB13DISH

I have a bad feeling that this gadget supports Video in MPEG-II and our DTT transmision is in MPEG-IV (MPEG4)
Check this device from Bartalsat
_http://www.bartalsat.co.il/site/detail/detail/detailDetail.asp?detail_id=1253977

It may be that my DVB-T USB stick does not support MPEG4 (H.264).
However, in that case, when the scanning for live channels is performed, will nothing be found, or will the device "sense" that there is data on a certain channel, but will not be able to display it correctly ? (e.g., as when you have interference in a satellite reception).

**HB13DISH** · 11-09-2009

Originally Posted by ronbarak

It may be that my DVB-T USB stick does not support MPEG4 (H.264).
However, in that case, when the scanning for live channels is performed, will nothing be found, or will the device "sense" that there is data on a certain channel, but will not be able to display it correctly ? (e.g., as when you have interference in a satellite reception).

I don't think that you will get anything showing, if the device doesn't support MPEG-4
I suggest you buy the device I mentioned earlier for 219 NIS.
Just make sure that your laptop meets the system requirements.

ronbarak · 11-09-2009

Originally Posted by HB13DISH

I don't think that you will get anything showing, if the device doesn't support MPEG-4
I suggest you buy the device I mentioned earlier for 219 NIS.
Just make sure that your laptop meets the system requirements.

I found the following message at _http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=17874
MPEG2 vs MPEG4 over DVB-T is very much a feature of the software rather than the hardware. Any Hauppauge DVB-T tuner can be used in countries that transmit MPEG4 channels on their DVB-T networks (like France, New Zealand, Norway, etc), so chances are you just need new software for your existing device.

The only place in the world where that is not true is the UK, where they intend to transmit MPEG4 over a newer standard called DVB-T2, but I'm guesisng you're not in the UK? "

So, I'll try locating a MPEG4 complient DVB-T viewer software.

**HB13DISH** · 11-09-2009

Originally Posted by ronbarak

I found the following message at _http://www.hauppauge.co.uk/board/showthread.php?t=17874
MPEG2 vs MPEG4 over DVB-T is very much a feature of the software rather than the hardware. Any Hauppauge DVB-T tuner can be used in countries that transmit MPEG4 channels on their DVB-T networks (like France, New Zealand, Norway, etc), so chances are you just need new software for your existing device.

The only place in the world where that is not true is the UK, where they intend to transmit MPEG4 over a newer standard called DVB-T2, but I'm guesisng you're not in the UK? "

So, I'll try locating a MPEG4 complient DVB-T viewer software.

Hi Ron,
First of all, you should be very careful posting URL links. Although you added an underscore before http, there was another live link inside it.
If after posting you see the link in blue, then you should edit it or delete it until you get it right.
This rule doesn't apply to URL links from threads and posts of this forum.
I hate to give infractions and I would like you to bear this point in mind in future posts.
Secondly, the link you gave applies to Hauppauge, and it may not be applicable to other devices.
If the manufacturer of your device designed it to work for MPEG-2 only, then I wouldn't waste my time looking for another software to enable MPEG-4.
It is entirely up to you.

ronbarak · 11-09-2009

Originally Posted by HB13DISH

Hi Ron,
First of all, you should be very careful posting URL links. Although you added an underscore before http, there was another live link inside it.
If after posting you see the link in blue, then you should edit it or delete it until you get it right.
This rule doesn't apply to URL links from threads and posts of this forum.
I hate to give infractions and I would like you to bear this point in mind in future posts.

I received the following message:
Please do not post live links! disable them with an underscore, as per the forum rules. Admin
And I thought that by putting an underscore in front of the URL, I was following admin's instructions.
Now, you write that putting an underscore in front is not the way to do it.
So, could you give an example of the compliant way to enter a URL ?

Originally Posted by HB13DISH

Secondly, the link you gave applies to Hauppauge, and it may not be applicable to other devices.
If the manufacturer of your device designed it to work for MPEG-2 only, then I wouldn't waste my time looking for another software to enable MPEG-4.
It is entirely up to you.

I read through the idan pages in _www . rashut2 . org . il / idan_equipment . asp and there seem to be lot of complaints of no reception.

Also, the more or less full requirements of the device are in _www .rashut2 .org .il /editor/uploadfiles/%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%A4%D7%99%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%99%20%D7%9 4%D7%9E%D7%9E%D7%99%D7%A8.pdf, but - unfortunately, this document does not specify the required "Off Center Frequency" and the "Retry Times", so - I cannot perform a manual scan.
Bye,
Ron.

**HB13DISH** · 11-09-2009

A good example is how the URL looks like after I edited it.

If you have an approved device, then you could have solved your problem days ago.
Even if the coverage isn't good in your area, sooner or later the whole country would. So it will not be money wasted.
I am not interested to buy the USB gadget and test it, because I already receive these channels with a dish pointing to Amos and I am surrounded with high rise buildings which could attenuate my reception drastically.
But if you have an open space around, then you have a better chance that me.
You could try and ask an installer to come and check the reception in your own home with a spectrum analyzer or a DTT meter, but I doubt if he will do it for less than few hundred Shekels.

**satelliteman** · 11-09-2009

Originally Posted by ronbarak

Now, you write that putting an underscore in front is not the way to do it.
So, could you give an example of the compliant way to enter a URL ?

_http://example.co.uk/

***Turok*** · 12-09-2009

Hello!
do you receive in israel also dvb t digital system television from your nabour countrys with large antennas,or does the sending only in the old analouge system?

here it is very funny,on the top of the mauntain i receive everything from swtzerland germany and austria,beofre dvb t comes,our cable oberpator,has installed his antenna system on the top of the 2500 m high mauntain with special wirless transmit system,to the cable hq down the valley,the swiss channel sf2 sending on channel 31,and in the night,the swtich off the complete system,always,when was deep preasure weather,and claudy,it was posible,after the swiss swtich off there signal,to watch the testcard from netherland 2 in the cable! ,on the same channel,in 2500 m seelevel,you receive dvb t station from a distance of 500 km from germany and more!

**HB13DISH** · 12-09-2009

I don't think that our immediate neighboring countries have DTT.
Perhaps Greece, Cypress or Turkey have it, but they are too far for a good reception.

***Turok*** · 12-09-2009

sure yes..
the problem,there is also that it only posible to receive the channels from the nabour country when not exactly the same freqency is using!
here in dab for eg,.from switzerland 2 times the same radio package come,on channel 12,so i dont know know,where is the source of the signal what i receive,when dvb t channels use same freqency,its not posible,to receive,the channels 30 km away,when you local sender is stronger,thats a real big problem,freqencys espasaly in fm also,are not protected,in my country,many fm stations from germany,i cannot receive in the meantime,because,local station sending on the same freqency,in dab and dvb t,will happen the same in the future,with one word the dx factor,does not exits anymore!
in greece i recogneized the same on fm,when i watching greece radio during driving,every 5 secound,i hear,turkish music on the same freqency!
the international freqency cordinatantion in geeneve in switerland should do a better job,and cordinate the freqency,so that this double use of the same freqency specturm never happens..

Antoine Pinet · 12-09-2009

Hi,

I bought a similar device called HDTV USB DVB-T from a Chinese seller.
The problem is the driver CD I received was broken in two so I can't get the driver for my device. Could you please attach the file so I can use it.

Thanks

here are the device's specs:

*Peripheral description: Intel Corporation (UK) Ltd CE9500B1
*Peripheral ID: 8086-9500
*dd class peripheral: FF / FF
*Peripheral protocol: 00
*Maker: Intel Corporation (UK) Ltd
*Product: CE9500B1
*Supported USB version: 2.00
*Current USB speed: Full (USB 1.1)

*Intel CE9500 chip (Intel CE9500B1)
*Intel CE6230 demodulator
*MaxLinear MxL500x tuner
*USB ID 8086:9500

**HB13DISH** · 12-09-2009

No he can't.
The CD content has copyright and nobody is allowed to distribute it freely on a public forum like this.
Return the package or ask the seller to help you.

ronbarak · 13-09-2009

Originally Posted by Antoine Pinet

Hi,

I bought a similar device called HDTV USB DVB-T from a Chinese seller.
The problem is the driver CD I received was broken in two so I can't get the driver for my device. Could you please attach the file so I can use it.

Thanks

here are the device's specs:

*Peripheral description: Intel Corporation (UK) Ltd CE9500B1
...
*USB ID 8086:9500

Hi Antoine,
I'm at work now. When I'll get home, I'll send you the contents of the CD.
Bye,
Ron.

***Turok*** · 13-09-2009

Yes,i bought in auction a usb comport adaptor,made in china,the driver that the seller send me was not compatible,and also windows does not recogneized it

on a pcmcia card i recogneized,that the english version of windows xp detect more exotic devices then the german one,thats very strange,maybe the driver database is not the same!
i think a drive has no "real" copyright,and should be avalible for all!

ronbarak · 13-09-2009

Originally Posted by Antoine Pinet

Hi,

I bought a similar device called HDTV USB DVB-T from a Chinese seller.
The problem is the driver CD I received was broken in two so I can't get the driver for my device. Could you please attach the file so I can use it.

Thanks

here are the device's specs:

*Peripheral description: Intel Corporation (UK) Ltd CE9500B1
...
*USB ID 8086:9500

I'm unable to upload attachments to this site. The upload crashes in the middle.
Have you an e-mail address I could send to ?

**rolfw** · 13-09-2009

Upload it to rapidshare, Email addresses are automatically deleted.

ronbarak · 14-09-2009

Hi Antoine,
The files from the DVB-T CD are in the attached rar archive at:

_http://rapidshare.com/files/279825534/archive.rar.html
MD5: 570B0158D685F56BC697AF881C4C9E56

(thanks rolfw for the suggestion)

Bye,
Ron.

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