bit confused over viacess1 decoders

newcastleman32

hi
been looking for at sat receivers on Ebay in order to to subcribe to channels encypted in viacess2 format
My question is some models when i look at there specs from the net have embedded viacess1 decoder
i know that the channels i want to watch are now encypted in viacess2 ,this mean that recievers with embeded viaacess1 slots will not decode Viacess2

thanks for anyone person time in replying
:O)

newcastleman32

removed this post as i duplicated into another forum

Burnham Beech

All receivers that have an embedded viaccess cam should work with both via1 & via2 official cards.

newcastleman32

ah was hoping that was state of affairs ,i realise im reading specs an user mannuals on web prior to viacess2 being indroduced an like i say the specs of these boxes just state viacess 1 decoder embedded

just it give me impression that they only decode viacess1 channels

thanks for ur reply an time taken for the informative info

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newcastleman32

hi again
im still abit confused over viacess issue,is it that some older receivers with embedded viacess1 just require a firmware update to decode viacess2 ?

see im looking about on Ebay for a receiver an just want to make sure i buy right
my purpose is to use an offical ART card an view the sports on 13 east (art sport 2,3,4 )
My friend an naigbour use a zone 2 mini dish for reception here in northumberland, ,this i have already

I was all set to buy a nokia 9800s but found very little on net concerning weather this box is up to the job for viacess2 ,,,just 1 guy telling another he uses nokia 9800s for hotbird an art 2 sport but make sure it has firmware MA2

Im not after a top notch receiver all silver an shinney ,supa menus ,built in alarms, ,play mp3,,annoyingly sweep hello over LED when u turn it on ,self dust
I want a basic budget 2nd hand receiver bare bones that do the job ,put a match on my screen sat afternoon

thanks for any advice given

:O)

Channel Hopper

Unfortunately that is not quite the case with dedicated subscriber receivers (usually the older style ones ).

I have also heard that some of the Echostar range (again earlier versions) do not have the chipset for V2 viewing.

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness"

newcastleman32

I see so not going to be as easy as i thought this receiver hunting
i look on Ebay an reference the model numbers so i can view the box's specs on net, 90% of sites will just say a certain box is viacess embedded
new even older boxs from 2001 there offical sites just state viacess embedded

So i guess makes shopping hard :O(


so my options are
1 ....get a MODERN reciever with embedded viacess an offical art card
OR
2.... modern receiver with CI slot an buy offical viacess cam an offical art card

option 1..... seems very full pitfalls with this does it or does it not do viacess2 an its veriants

option 2 seems alittle more expensive as far as needing to buy a viacess cam,which ive noticed they come in there own veriants version 1.4 4.9 which i dont even want to start to tackle yet

il just stick for some advice from emebers about where to go from here
thanks for any time given :O)

Burnham Beech

You are no better off with a separate cam. They should work - but there are always exceptions.

My old echostar with embedded viaccess works fine with a via2 card.

newcastleman32

:O(

I came here to get out the woods an as the advice is ,, so far feel further in them
Can anyone give links to competitive online suppliers of embedded viacess2 recievers
would i be right in thinking they start from £130 new
i see some good budget deals on the Technomate 7750 2va 2ci
2 viacess slots an 2 ci slots

any opinions greeted

:O)

Burnham Beech

Sorry I can't help. My three receivers are all over five years old and I've never been stumped yet.

But I will admit to you I have bought loads of cards and cams over the years and most are in the bin.

newcastleman32

So I guess ur saying all 3 of ur old recievers handle viacess2

After researching would i be right in thinking that many older reseivers at 1 stage had to upgrade there firmware when viacess merged to viacess2
I did read some web page that had a list of effected recievers that couldnt handle the merge
I remeber seeing nokia 9800 range ,,an yeah alot echostars listed so scratched em off me list

i should turn this thread into the ..Whos viewing Art sports 2.3.4 on 13 east hotbird using the embedded viacess card slots an not CI slot ,,,Please name ur receiver below new or old:O) then il take reference of models read up on em hopefully buy 1 soon

somone must know a certain fail safe reciever not to0 pricey
handle viacess2 embedded with least 1 CI slot
Its hard to judge whats new an whats older in terms of been on market as i look at some pages on web an prices
then notcie the page is 3 yrs old in date
id like to add im not shy at flashing firmware not frightend to get me hands dirty ,Im not wanting loads channels just the below

1 satellite hotbird 13 east

receieve 4 channels art ,2,3,4 an that funny arab man who appears
between pepsi adds reading news

hurdle 1 engyption obstacle buying offical card (sorting)

i know me dish size an its fitted waiting

lies depressed in hope of advice ,makes models ,,ages?

Burnham Beech

My old echostar has been updated many times - not to get via2 but for other reasons and now has the latest available version from Jan2004. Echostar lost interest in my satellite receiver after then.

The echostar website says that one of the firmware updates fixed via2 and when I tried a via2 card it worked ok. A quick check on the echostar site should establish which receivers have a via2 patch.

To get back to the technical aspect of this. The via2 processing is done in the card not the receiver. That's why I said that in theory any old viaccess embedded receiver should work with a via2 card. The problems that had to be fixed were accessing the via2 IDs especially when multiple IDs were trasmitted.

Channel Hopper

Just adding to this in a non technical way.
The original NTV subscriber bouquet on Hotbird came with a receiver with embedded Viaccess slot, and a card. I think the same receiver was supplied with the first Arabeqsque cards. Customers that already had a receiver with PCMCIA slot were advised not to buy black, but red Viaccess CAMs as the impending changeover to V2 meant that there would be an issue with the older style CAM.

In my experience people that have the orignal receivers now have more trouble with the encryption than those with either type of CAM, suggesting that along the production line, somebody was using either non compatible chipsets, or did not follow the rules wrt firmware.

(PS, receivers with multi embedded slots - @Sky for example, may have issues even though the claims are that they are fully V2 compatible) These are emulation receivers and are not authorised for use on Viaccess by the provider, France Telecom. In the same way I would avoid buying a receiver that utilises an upgreadeable embedded 'Magic' slot, unless you are not solely interested in the official package content.

There is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness"

newcastleman32

why my reply post 3 times

newcastleman32

editing as i replied 3 timesrepeated message

newcastleman32

thanks for contribrutes so far :O)

newcastleman32

im soaking all this up in this very changable world

ok ive been to a site for sat supplies creative uk..an theres a deal there artsport deal
includes offical card an Technomate-7655 2VA ,so im guessin that receiver will do the job ?
It dont have a C1 slot but the Technomate 7755 2VA 2CI has ,,an im gussin same viacess embedded slot
so if they are sellon this as a sport package at creative web site

would it be good idea to order 1

thanks for contribrutes so far :O)

dig deep

Get a dreambox and forget all about cams

newcastleman32

i thought about gettin 1 em last year then me car broke an i re channeled me spare cash

I hear you but i dont know ,,i forsee dreambox to a fait worse then frank sinclairs little buggie ,gut feeling
thought be easy to get a reciver knowing the package you want to get
Nobody comfirmed these technomates do job ,im thinking they must as creative site wouldnt sell em in there art sport package

Seeem u can buy em patched too to muti cam butthat be no good to me as multi cam does does viacess1 ,conax ,an rest

they also seem within my tight bare bones budget

like i say i dont want receiver that has bonnie menus :O( just want subcribe to art sports

mulls74

If you're looking for a simple system - then I have an old Humax F1 VACI that I have been happily watching ART on for the past two years.
It works fine with an original card in the embedded Viacess slot and it has spare slots for other CAMS should you need them.
I am a luddite when it comes to satellite TV and my box's firmware is nearly five years old.
On the off chance, I looked on Ebay and there is one up there now for £25 - it's not mine!!!!
If you just want the footy, there's no need to pay any more.
Hope this helps

newcastleman32

yeah my mate has a VAFOX works ok

Im lookin for a second receiver as im buyin me mam a 6 month card for xmas an there is a humax vaci selling
Also a humax vaci5300 bundled with a viaccess red cam
asked the seller if he needs the red cam to view progs an he said he bought cam as he needed it for viaacess 2

to update

ive bought a technomate 1000ci waiting for the receiver to come so im now hunting for a viaccess2 cam
from what ive read the red cam is the option i take from here would anyone like to reasure me
also somthing else that thickens my soup
some outlets say the new blue card self acticvate count down art cards ,yet you see some outlets state theres are not scratch card but picture of a white card
is it a case of there are small amount white countfown cards ?

newcastleman32

i was talking to the guy at creative satellite via email
guess this is what you mean Channel hopper when you mention some twin card recivers emulators have trouble decoding

he said
Since changes with ART we have noticed that the TM 7755 range might not work in all the areas , no idea yet why , but that is to do with ART lowering the frequencies on their transponder, therefore I will not be able to guarantee that you will be able to pick the signal on ART, on all the rest of channels is OK only on ART is hit and miss.
If you are not willing to try out then I would advice on the TM 1500CI+ Super , the card slot will accept your ART card no problem at all.


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So my question is ? in therory i can buy a Technomate 1500ci+ with latest offical firmwere its multi card reader will work an art card on 13 E ????

Adster

I use the built in softcam (or whatever its called) in a Technomate 1500ci+ and it works fine with both art cards i've used in it.

Currently I'm using one of the new blue cards. Just put it in and it works, no scratching or anything needed.

newcastleman32

hello im back

well i had bought a 2nd hand humax vaci5300 off Ebay that came with a red viaccess cam in the deal but the audio on all channels is muffled
So I too have bought a technomate 1500ci+ funny enough
MY card came this morning an i placed it in the Technomate MultiKrypt card reader an works fine too ,so at last i have me football on saturday

Just for the record my card also worked fine in the humax vaci5300 without the viaccess red cam using the embedded viaccess card reader even with the firmwere dated 11 /2000
But like i say the humax is in the cuboard as i think the audio has a fault all channels are muffled
but the technomate is spot on an im happy dispite been giving negitive feedback for buyin a fcked box on Ebay

thats for another forum i guess
thanks guys for the input i hope this thread helps others who will no doublt walk my path looking for same answers

cheers