19.2 plus 28.2 Astra on one dish

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Hi,


I would like to receive freesat and the german channels in one dish.
My research so far tells me I need a dish with two separate lnbs 9 degrees apart, a good receiver such as humax foxsat or similar. Can anyone tell me what size of dish that setup needs ? Is there a problem those two satellites being on a different height angle?.
location is central scotland G65
any help would be much appreciated.

thank you

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Hi,


I would like to receive freesat and the german channels in one dish.
My research so far tells me I need a dish with two separate lnbs 9 degrees apart, a good receiver such as humax foxsat or similar. Can anyone tell me what size of dish that setup needs ? Is there a problem those two satellites being on a different height angle?.
location is central scotland G65
any help would be much appreciated.

thank you

Thanks

An 80 or 90 cm dish should do. (But always buy too large in this business.)
You also need a 2-way DiSEqC switch for choosing which LNB to operate.
Most receivers should work; what you want is luckily not fringe reception.
Ideally you need to center dish somewhere between the two (say, 23.5 degrees), then put an LNB at either end of a bracket.
Or get one of the multifocus dishes, e.g. the WaveFrontier T55 or similar.
Easiest done with a meter (or an installer). (WaveFrontier really needs a good meter to set up properly)
No problem the sats being different heights. Bracket just does at an angle to suit.
As for brackets, there ar plenty of other threads here that illustrate what you need.
Good luck!
 

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For 28 & 19 East, a standard 80cm dish should be enough in Central Scotland I would reckon. I can pull both satellite positions in on a Sky Zone 2 dish without major problems here in NI. You could get away with using a 60cm dish but protection against rain-fade at any satellite position off the main LNB focus will suffer, leading you to be more likely to lose signal in heavy rain.

The slightly different elevation angle between the two satellites is not a problem.

You'll need two standard 40mm neck LNBs - if they are just to feed a single tuner then one single output on each LNB is fine. Otherwise say to allow for a Sky+ or Freesat+ receiver, get at least a twin or better yet quad output (not quattro) LNB at least for the 28E LNB as you'll need at least two feeds for the PVR to properly work. Having some spare outputs also gives some future proofing if you want additional receivers added to your setup.

You'll also need at least 1 Diseqc 1.0 switch - if you are going to be running two feeds from both LNBs for a PVR, then you'll need two such switches. You can get them either in two-way or four-way versions, the cost difference between them isn't that much, I'd use a four-way to help future-proof if you want to add another one or two satellite positions in future e.g. 23.5E or 13E.

You'll also need a bracket that will allow you to aim several LNBs on the one dish. Something like the one below on eBay will work fine (the third holder can be kept as a spare). Depending on the dish bought there may be a special bracket available for multi-lnb attachments, but in my experience with these your mileage may vary.

_http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/170982083303?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

Then there are two ways to align it. One, as suggested by st1, is to aim for a "mid-way" point between the two satellites, 23.5 East is ideal for this, and then offset your two LNBs to each side (this is possible with Triax dishes who have specially produced brackets for multi-lnb use which doesn't rely on an LNB to be at the main focus), though the multi-LNB holder I've linked to above requires one LNB to be at the main focus - this isn't really a problem. My advice would be to aim the dish for 19 East and then use an offset-LNB for 28 East - the new Astra 2E & 2F now give some quite stonking signal levels in the UK - the few signals still left on Astra 2A and Eutelsat 28A at this position will transfer over later this year (likely all will be done once Astra 2G comes into service) but in the meantime you can use the signals from Eutelsat 28A (which is the weakest in 28 East location) to peak your signal at an offset position once you get a sniff of a strong signal from 2E or 2F first.

On a multi-lnb bracket, if you are facing the front of the dish with the 19 East LNB being at the main focus point, the 28 East LNB will lie slightly to the left of the 19 East LNB and will also be slightly higher. How much this difference will be will depend on the size of the dish you use, the bigger the dish the bigger the gap between the two LNBs.

This will depend on where you plan to mount your dish, but if you can view the signal meter on the receiver you plan to use for alignment (even just a temp setup for aligning the dish) this will be a big help. You can use a cheap meter which has a tone & needle to help with alignment but it won't tell you exactly what satellite position you have landed on - one slight headache is that the frequencies used at both satellite positions are near identical (bar the frequencies currently used by Eutelsat 28A at present) so you could quite easily align on 28 East when you want 19E! The trick here is to look for a signal on a frequency on one position that isn't being used on the other (or for that matter, 23.5 East as well). For aligning on to 19 East, 11.186GHz Vertical (TV Trwam) is one you can use as this isn't in use at either 28 or 23.5 East presently. If you align on to 28 East, 10.714 Horizontal (Channel 4) is a good one to use to not only differentiate from 19 & 23.5 East but also to "home in" when aligning an offset LNB as it's quite strong - once you have a good signal from Channel 4 you can then use one of the weaker Eutelsat signals to "peak" your offest-LNB position, 11.222 Horizontal (CBS Action) or 11.261 Horizontal (Vintage TV) are good to use here as from my location they are on the weakest signals currently available at 28 East at my location.

If you've never aligned a satellite dish before then it can seem quite daunting at first as alignment, even at 28 East with it's powerhouse signals, needs to be very accurate compared to say a UHF TV aerial but if you give yourself a little time & patience it shouldn't take too long to get at least the dish fixed on its main position (e.g. 19 East), and one you have that done you can fix & tighten up the dish brackets as adding a second LNB for 28 East doesn't involve having to move the dish.

If you need any more help I'll try if I'm around here or I'm sure the healthy pool of knowledgeable posters here will only be too glad to offer as well.
 

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Hi
Thanks for this brief description
I just looking solution and luckily found you
So I registered myself to contact with you
So I hope you are well as this is really old post
So I repeat myself again if you can help
Please send me solution for Birmingham UK
I want to install two dishes max if it’s one dish then it’s best and I am looking 28 Astra for sky UK and 19 Astra mainly fir uHD channels and 13 hot bird again for uhd channels and if possible want to add another lnb for 4 satellite
Currently I have 3 dishes for 28 19 and 13
I want to make them 1 or 2 max please advice
Who can carry out this job for me here in Birmingham and what best stuff I can use for this operation and if I want to request to hire you is it possible
Please I am looking for your reply many thanks

For 28 & 19 East, a standard 80cm dish should be enough in Central Scotland I would reckon. I can pull both satellite positions in on a Sky Zone 2 dish without major problems here in NI. You could get away with using a 60cm dish but protection against rain-fade at any satellite position off the main LNB focus will suffer, leading you to be more likely to lose signal in heavy rain.
The slightly different elevation angle between the two satellites is not a problem.

You'll need two standard 40mm neck LNBs - if they are just to feed a single tuner then one single output on each LNB is fine. Otherwise say to allow for a Sky+ or Freesat+ receiver, get at least a twin or better yet quad output (not quattro) LNB at least for the 28E LNB as you'll need at least two feeds for the PVR to properly work. Having some spare outputs also gives some future proofing if you want additional receivers added to your setup.

You'll also need at least 1 Diseqc 1.0 switch - if you are going to be running two feeds from both LNBs for a PVR, then you'll need two such switches. You can get them either in two-way or four-way versions, the cost difference between them isn't that much, I'd use a four-way to help future-proof if you want to add another one or two satellite positions in future e.g. 23.5E or 13E.

You'll also need a bracket that will allow you to aim several LNBs on the one dish. Something like the one below on eBay will work fine (the third holder can be kept as a spare). Depending on the dish bought there may be a special bracket available for multi-lnb attachments, but in my experience with these your mileage may vary.

_Inverto Multi-lnb Holder for All Satellite Dishes Hotbird (holds up to 3 Lnbs) for sale online | eBay

Then there are two ways to align it. One, as suggested by st1, is to aim for a "mid-way" point between the two satellites, 23.5 East is ideal for this, and then offset your two LNBs to each side (this is possible with Triax dishes who have specially produced brackets for multi-lnb use which doesn't rely on an LNB to be at the main focus), though the multi-LNB holder I've linked to above requires one LNB to be at the main focus - this isn't really a problem. My advice would be to aim the dish for 19 East and then use an offset-LNB for 28 East - the new Astra 2E & 2F now give some quite stonking signal levels in the UK - the few signals still left on Astra 2A and Eutelsat 28A at this position will transfer over later this year (likely all will be done once Astra 2G comes into service) but in the meantime you can use the signals from Eutelsat 28A (which is the weakest in 28 East location) to peak your signal at an offset position once you get a sniff of a strong signal from 2E or 2F first.

On a multi-lnb bracket, if you are facing the front of the dish with the 19 East LNB being at the main focus point, the 28 East LNB will lie slightly to the left of the 19 East LNB and will also be slightly higher. How much this difference will be will depend on the size of the dish you use, the bigger the dish the bigger the gap between the two LNBs.

This will depend on where you plan to mount your dish, but if you can view the signal meter on the receiver you plan to use for alignment (even just a temp setup for aligning the dish) this will be a big help. You can use a cheap meter which has a tone & needle to help with alignment but it won't tell you exactly what satellite position you have landed on - one slight headache is that the frequencies used at both satellite positions are near identical (bar the frequencies currently used by Eutelsat 28A at present) so you could quite easily align on 28 East when you want 19E! The trick here is to look for a signal on a frequency on one position that isn't being used on the other (or for that matter, 23.5 East as well). For aligning on to 19 East, 11.186GHz Vertical (TV Trwam) is one you can use as this isn't in use at either 28 or 23.5 East presently. If you align on to 28 East, 10.714 Horizontal (Channel 4) is a good one to use to not only differentiate from 19 & 23.5 East but also to "home in" when aligning an offset LNB as it's quite strong - once you have a good signal from Channel 4 you can then use one of the weaker Eutelsat signals to "peak" your offest-LNB position, 11.222 Horizontal (CBS Action) or 11.261 Horizontal (Vintage TV) are good to use here as from my location they are on the weakest signals currently available at 28 East at my location.

If you've never aligned a satellite dish before then it can seem quite daunting at first as alignment, even at 28 East with it's powerhouse signals, needs to be very accurate compared to say a UHF TV aerial but if you give yourself a little time & patience it shouldn't take too long to get at least the dish fixed on its main position (e.g. 19 East), and one you have that done you can fix & tighten up the dish brackets as adding a second LNB for 28 East doesn't involve having to move the dish.

If you need any more help I'll try if I'm around here or I'm sure the healthy pool of knowledgeable posters here will only be too glad to offer as well.
 

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What size dishes do you already have? If one is 80cm or larger you will be able to add a multi LNB bracket and receive those three satellites without a problem on one dish.

Second option is and 80cm dish on a DiSEqC motor which will easily cover all those three satellites and more.

Sorry I don't know any installers in your area.
 

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Best is to buy a Diseqc motor if the line of sight is clear and use one of your dish.

Google for dish installer in your area.
 

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Hi thanks for your reply
I have one 80 cm and 2 60 cm mesh dishes installed
I am interested in your solution that one dish can pull up for me all satellite mainly Astra 28 and Astra 19 and Hotbird 13 please send me link for best lnbs ( I heard inverto lnb are best is that true) and dish model and brackets for this solution I am looking myself too but as you have more knowledge then me I probably felt better to take your advice on buying equipment thank you

What size dishes do you already have? If one is 80cm or larger you will be able to add a multi LNB bracket and receive those three satellites without a problem on one dish.

Second option is and 80cm dish on a DiSEqC motor which will easily cover all those three satellites and more.

Sorry I don't know any installers in your area.
 

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Use your 80cm dish and a bracket like this:

You may be able to find the bracket cheaper elsewhere. Many people on this site use this type of bracket with success.

For strong satellites there is little difference between LNBs. I like these Inverto Black Eco as they are small, light, cheap and are easy to use with the bracket :

Point the dish at 19.2 east then have 28.2 & 13 east LNBs to the left and right of the main LNB.
 
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Use your 80cm dish and a bracket like this:

You may be able to find the bracket cheaper elsewhere. Many people on this site use this type of bracket with success.
Suggest getting the 4x LNB version if possible, because the holders/clamps have a "habit" of snapping across the point just above where the bolts holding them to the rail (especially in cold weather when the plastic can be a little bit brittle) and thus having a spare one can be very useful!

PS: don't "worry" if a listing states that the holder is for LNB brands other than "Inverto" because almost any 40mm throat LNB will fit.
 

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It's why the Inverto Black Eco LNBs are suited to it, due to its shape the LNB can pass through the holder without any force or twisting.

Here's a setup which includes said bracket and LNBs:
 
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