Just Sharing This 2.2mtr Elite / Precision resurection... Part 2.

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Except incest and Morris Dancing as the man said (hopefully).


.. Please don't tell me youv'e been there - done that Llew lol
 

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Errrrrrrrrrrr, gimme a clue

The scalar your using is over/under illuminating the dish, when you find the correct one you will get another increase in gain,

Its the main reason I'm going to the trouble making some.

Personally I would contact Elite.
 

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Except incest and Morris Dancing as the man said (hopefully).
Haven't you seen John with his bells on Llew?
 

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The scalar your using is over/under illuminating the dish, when you find the correct one you will get another increase in gain,

Its the main reason I'm going to the trouble making some.

Personally I would contact Elite.


Hmmm, understand what you are saying / where your coming from etc and it did seem to optomise using the conventional design scalar as used on the previous Precision 2.2 . I'll have a more serious look at it when the weather is a bit more friendly towards outside work.
 

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Hmmm, understand what you are saying / where your coming from etc and it did seem to optomise using the conventional design scalar as used on the previous Precision 2.2 . I'll have a more serious look at it when the weather is a bit more friendly towards outside work.

Hi John, this is a copy/paste i found.

Using the wrong feed will result in either low efficiency due to edge spill over and high interference sidelobes or low gain due to under-illumination of the outer regions of the dish. Think of a hand torch shone onto the dish at night. If the torch beam is too wide, lots of light misses the dish and lights up the surroundings (sidelobes) or if the torch beam is too narrow you only light up a small area in the middle of the dish (equivalent to having a very small diameter dish)

Elite will be able to tell you exactly what you need.
 
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Haven't you seen John with his bells on Llew?
Is there a missing comma after "on" in that sentence, or a we meant to read this picture this literally?
And if so, is bells to be interpreted as a euphemism?
That would indeed be a sight to behold...
 

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Is there a missing comma after "on" in that sentence, or a we meant to read this picture this literally?
And if so, is bells to be interpreted as a euphemism?
That would indeed be a sight to behold...
Read it literally ST1.....John can take it...
 

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Better day today, still cold but at least dry with some sunshine. Feed alignment and installation done for AV-Comm barrel / Norsat 8000RI / Polarity servo combo.
More care and attention paid to the task in hand today. Had been in contact with Julian @ Elite Antennas just to establish and double check a few things for the 2.2. F/P = 755 mm confirmed, F/D ratio = 0.34, FeedHorn Beamwidth = 143.3°, width and depth easy to do for calculations requirements.
So .... using an adjustable angle finder set to 143.3° sat & fixed into the front throat of the barrel and extended the length of the device using string to the outer reflective edge of the reflector worked out spot on. The meeting point of the two angles within the barrel throat,s phase & focal point made it 8mm into the barrel. Measuring the Focal point at this position gave 755mm exactly as per antenna design. Conventional flat scalar placed at a point on the barrel to suit a F/D ratio of 0.34 ..... no final scalar position tweek at this stage as run out of time but does seem to be pretty much on the spot. Strung the reflector at multiple points and was happy with that.
Finished the Norsat 8000RI + polarity servo feed and did some brief tests on 65°West on 4.5-4.8 GHz only with very good results. Will continue to document asap.
A few pics to try and illustrate the days proceedings.
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John,

It sounds like you have got it spot on, well done. I look forward to some of the findings with your new Norsat LNB, the adventure begins..... :)

Rgds
 

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Sounds good John, I presumed you had done this previous to your other post, anyway your now on the right track, will look forward to your reports, when time permits could you track back to 53E for signal comparison, just out of interest please.
 

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Sounds good John, I presumed you had done this previous to your other post, anyway your now on the right track, will look forward to your reports, when time permits could you track back to 53E for signal comparison, just out of interest please.


... didn't do the FeedHorn Beamwidth test before BM, it was all done in a bit of a rush the other day, in the wet, in the dark & in the cold.... too impulsive to see what or if any difference. The Beamwidth angle test was not from the Elite site but gained from this calculator by Jenz, Prime Focus Satellite Antenna reflector calculation which proved to be very useful.
I'll do the 53°East thing asap, got collared by her indoors to put the kitchen / dining area all back after having the decorator in for three days.
 

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... Another bit of useful info obtained from AV-Comm directly re: their High Effeciency C-Band scalar ring only. In the web page it does not tell you what F/D operating range is, iv'e been told it is designed for a 0.375 F/D.
 

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... Another bit of useful info obtained from AV-Comm directly re: their High Effeciency C-Band scalar ring only. In the web page it does not tell you what F/D operating range is, iv'e been told it is designed for a 0.375 F/D.


John,

Is that the scalar that we received with the polariser barrel and Zinwell LNBF from them?

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...The Beamwidth angle test was not from the Elite site but gained from this calculator by Jenz, Prime Focus Satellite Antenna reflector calculation ...

That's a nice little script he has loaded onto that web page for the beamwidth angle calulator. Its a very good site for all sorts of calculations and lists.

I need to order an adjustable angle finder to have a sniff at my angles. I seem to be buying tools quite regularly for this satellite stuff, yesterday it was a 65mm holesaw with arbor, today I might sort out a laser pointer...


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John,

Is that the scalar that we received with the polariser barrel and Zinwell LNBF from them?

Rgds


Yes mate, there quite well made really, i'm after another ADL one the same as what you have and the butchered one i have. There seems to be a bit more design theory gone into those which i would like to evaluate against the Zinwell type. If you ever come across any spares or whatever give me a shout please.
 

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Hmmm, understand what you are saying / where your coming from etc and it did seem to optomise using the conventional design scalar as used on the previous Precision 2.2 . I'll have a more serious look at it when the weather is a bit more friendly towards outside work.


Apologies, a bit late in replying, I have not worked with the Cband models for years but the same should apply at all frequencies.


The earliest Precision feeds for Ku band do not have a scalar ring as such, but a single 'lip' that is formed from the metal part used for affixing the three feedarms.
There was a second version produced a few years later which increased the number of surrounding rings to three and this coincided with a different design of the 90cm reflector that was decidedly thinner and did not have the fully rounded edge.

I did install three 90 cm versions on the Gorizont satellite at 14 (or was it 11 ?)West for client wishing to receive the state Russian channel in SECAM back in the very late 80's and tests confirmed at the shop that hand-holding the Cband LNB at the dish without the scalar ring included in the kit would reduce the sparklies, but I did not have a method to secure it in place without making something bespoke.
This was put down to the additional gain owing to less shadowing but I was never truly convinced because of the Ku band feed designs offered at the time.

I will try to find an old catalogue showing what Precision supplied for use at Cband but I would hazard a guess their reflectors were designed with a surface accuracy that means the improvements of signal collection using a scalar are not necessary.
 
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