30°W Multistream

Status
Not open for further replies.
Adam792

Adam792

Specialist Contributor
Messages
558
Likes
356
My Satellite Setup
Dishes: 80cm (5°W/4.8°E), 80cm (30°W), 60cm Zone 2 (13°E/19.2°E/28.2°E)
Receivers: HTPC (Intel i3 processor, nVidia Graphics, and TBS6905 4x DVB-S2 PCIe tuner card) running Ubuntu with Kodi/TVHeadend, Wetek Play2, Skybox M3.
My Location
Worcester
#1
I saw something interesting on another forum, and seeing as I can't get 30°W here (blocked by trees) thought I'd ask.

Can anyone pick up anything on Hispasat 30°W 11492V with a multistream capable DVB card? The symbol rate is listed as 7522 and modulation as 8PSK with FEC 8/9.

It seems to be implied that this may contain a feed of the Portuguese digital terrestrial multiplex in multistream mode, but that the PLS code is unknown.

I've run those parameters (DVB-S2 8PSK/SR:7522/FEC:8/9) through an online bitrate calculator and it comes back as ~19.9Mbps, which would match the bitrate of Portugal's only DVB-T multiplex!
 
D

daaahhnuh

Regular Member
Messages
200
Likes
284
My Satellite Setup
Dreambox 800HD
Dreambox 500
TBS-5925
Spaun SMS 5402 NF Multiswitch + Sky Zone 1 Minidish
Triax TD88 + Dark Motor using USALS
My Location
Suffolk
#2
TBS tuner can see something. 12.9dB. Can't lock it however. Any idea of whether it's Root or Gold and I'll leave it running over night?
 
Last edited:
Adam792

Adam792

Specialist Contributor
Messages
558
Likes
356
My Satellite Setup
Dishes: 80cm (5°W/4.8°E), 80cm (30°W), 60cm Zone 2 (13°E/19.2°E/28.2°E)
Receivers: HTPC (Intel i3 processor, nVidia Graphics, and TBS6905 4x DVB-S2 PCIe tuner card) running Ubuntu with Kodi/TVHeadend, Wetek Play2, Skybox M3.
My Location
Worcester
#3
Not sure! The information I've seen is very sparse unfortunately. I guess root is most likely judging by the other multistream channels (I've only seen French ones running gold) :-)


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
D

daaahhnuh

Regular Member
Messages
200
Likes
284
My Satellite Setup
Dreambox 800HD
Dreambox 500
TBS-5925
Spaun SMS 5402 NF Multiswitch + Sky Zone 1 Minidish
Triax TD88 + Dark Motor using USALS
My Location
Suffolk
#4
I've left it auto searching in root mode for the PLS code... Here goes nothing.
 
D

daaahhnuh

Regular Member
Messages
200
Likes
284
My Satellite Setup
Dreambox 800HD
Dreambox 500
TBS-5925
Spaun SMS 5402 NF Multiswitch + Sky Zone 1 Minidish
Triax TD88 + Dark Motor using USALS
My Location
Suffolk
#5
Also if anyone wants to join find the PLS code you're more than welcome!
 
B

BlindFaith

Specialist Contributor
Messages
639
Likes
309
My Satellite Setup
-
120cm Echostar and 70cm (2nd location)
TBS 5925
My Location
52,0°N, 4,3°E and 52,5°N, 13,4°E
#6
I saw something interesting on another forum, and seeing as I can't get 30°W here (blocked by trees) thought I'd ask.

Can anyone pick up anything on Hispasat 30°W 11492V with a multistream capable DVB card? The symbol rate is listed as 7522 and modulation as 8PSK with FEC 8/9.

It seems to be implied that this may contain a feed of the Portuguese digital terrestrial multiplex in multistream mode, but that the PLS code is unknown.

I've run those parameters (DVB-S2 8PSK/SR:7522/FEC:8/9) through an online bitrate calculator and it comes back as ~19.9Mbps, which would match the bitrate of Portugal's only DVB-T multiplex!
Could you post a link of the discussion?
I wonder how the exact modulation parameters incl. FEC can be determined if the PLS is unknown. If your calculated bit rate matches the rate of the terrestrial mux multistream is not required ;)
 
Adam792

Adam792

Specialist Contributor
Messages
558
Likes
356
My Satellite Setup
Dishes: 80cm (5°W/4.8°E), 80cm (30°W), 60cm Zone 2 (13°E/19.2°E/28.2°E)
Receivers: HTPC (Intel i3 processor, nVidia Graphics, and TBS6905 4x DVB-S2 PCIe tuner card) running Ubuntu with Kodi/TVHeadend, Wetek Play2, Skybox M3.
My Location
Worcester
#7
Could you post a link of the discussion?
I wonder how the exact modulation parameters incl. FEC can be determined if the PLS is unknown. If your calculated bit rate matches the rate of the terrestrial mux multistream is not required ;)
Yes sure :-) - h**p://www. sat-universe.com/showthread.php?p=1256988 (Post #22 onwards)

Flysat also lists those parameters.

I see what you mean though! Maybe someone has found the PLS.

I guess they might want to multistream it anyway even with only one stream to prevent standard receivers from getting it if it is Portuguese DVB-T as these channels (RTP1, RTP2, SIC, TVI, ARTV) are encrypted for Meo and NOS.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
B

BlindFaith

Specialist Contributor
Messages
639
Likes
309
My Satellite Setup
-
120cm Echostar and 70cm (2nd location)
TBS 5925
My Location
52,0°N, 4,3°E and 52,5°N, 13,4°E
#8
The link doesn't point to the thread.
Flysat also lists those parameters.
The parameters are outdated (from May posted by @EnoSat) and no PLS mentionend :rolleyes:
 
Adam792

Adam792

Specialist Contributor
Messages
558
Likes
356
My Satellite Setup
Dishes: 80cm (5°W/4.8°E), 80cm (30°W), 60cm Zone 2 (13°E/19.2°E/28.2°E)
Receivers: HTPC (Intel i3 processor, nVidia Graphics, and TBS6905 4x DVB-S2 PCIe tuner card) running Ubuntu with Kodi/TVHeadend, Wetek Play2, Skybox M3.
My Location
Worcester
#9
The link should work; I just put a space in it after the www. to stop it parsing on here.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
Feedsat_DXer

Feedsat_DXer

Specialist Contributor
Messages
1,792
Likes
4,445
My Satellite Setup
See signature
My Location
France
#10
This frequency has reported for 1 year ago already, there are no PLS code for this stream, the problem is the Pilot and something else...
The active PID is 515
When you have a PLS code the SNR is weak until you find the correct code.
30°W Multistream_936142
If I'm wrong please, let me know.

btw, @30°W there are also another hard TX to get: the Spanish DTT on satellite (11222 V, 10810 H, etc, all the Abertis TXP)
They use an unusual way for their TX , all PIDs are encrypted (PAT, NIT, PMT, etc) worse than the BBC at 27.5°W.

Good luck
 
B

BlindFaith

Specialist Contributor
Messages
639
Likes
309
My Satellite Setup
-
120cm Echostar and 70cm (2nd location)
TBS 5925
My Location
52,0°N, 4,3°E and 52,5°N, 13,4°E
#11
thx, but how do you know about the PID?
 
Adam792

Adam792

Specialist Contributor
Messages
558
Likes
356
My Satellite Setup
Dishes: 80cm (5°W/4.8°E), 80cm (30°W), 60cm Zone 2 (13°E/19.2°E/28.2°E)
Receivers: HTPC (Intel i3 processor, nVidia Graphics, and TBS6905 4x DVB-S2 PCIe tuner card) running Ubuntu with Kodi/TVHeadend, Wetek Play2, Skybox M3.
My Location
Worcester
#12
Yes, I've managed to watch the Spanish DTT Abertis feeds before with a little Python script I wrote (and the correct keys). The PIDs which look like just data on those transponders are actually a full DVB-T multiplex transport stream encoded in BISS.

The structure of them is similar to the Italian RAI multistreams with La 2, 24h and Clan on one PID then multiple regional versions of La 1 on the other PIDs. Then the commercial multiplexes are there too as well as a couple of the regional public ones and very low bitrate versions (around 3Mbps) of a few of the regional channels that don't pay for their whole multiplex to be uplinked and are just on there for TDT sat receivers I guess! (Like TV3)


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
Last edited:
Adam792

Adam792

Specialist Contributor
Messages
558
Likes
356
My Satellite Setup
Dishes: 80cm (5°W/4.8°E), 80cm (30°W), 60cm Zone 2 (13°E/19.2°E/28.2°E)
Receivers: HTPC (Intel i3 processor, nVidia Graphics, and TBS6905 4x DVB-S2 PCIe tuner card) running Ubuntu with Kodi/TVHeadend, Wetek Play2, Skybox M3.
My Location
Worcester
#13
This frequency has reported for 1 year ago already, there are no PLS code for this stream, the problem is the Pilot and something else...
The active PID is 515
What does this mean? Is that the DVB-S2 pilot? Does it do something to stop the signal locking then?

Thanks for the interesting information!



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
 
B

BlindFaith

Specialist Contributor
Messages
639
Likes
309
My Satellite Setup
-
120cm Echostar and 70cm (2nd location)
TBS 5925
My Location
52,0°N, 4,3°E and 52,5°N, 13,4°E
#14
..and something else...
..that can be anything ;) Maybe it's not DVB-S2 at all..
 
ameurberrim

ameurberrim

New Member
Messages
9
Likes
0
My Satellite Setup
astra 19.2
My Location
guemar
#15
Yes, I've managed to watch the Spanish DTT Abertis feeds before with a little Python script I wrote (and the correct keys). The PIDs which look like just data on those transponders are actually a full DVB-T multiplex transport stream encoded in BISS.

The structure of them is similar to the Italian RAI multistreams with La 2, 24h and Clan on one PID then multiple regional versions of La 1 on the other PIDs. Then the commercial multiplexes are there too as well as a couple of the regional public ones and very low bitrate versions (around 3Mbps) of a few of the regional channels that don't pay for their whole multiplex to be uplinked and are just on there for TDT sat receivers I guess! (Like TV3)


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
hi sir .
can tbs 6925 recive spanish dtt on hispasat .if yes pls expleane me the way to ricive than .i like thows channels
 
Adam792

Adam792

Specialist Contributor
Messages
558
Likes
356
My Satellite Setup
Dishes: 80cm (5°W/4.8°E), 80cm (30°W), 60cm Zone 2 (13°E/19.2°E/28.2°E)
Receivers: HTPC (Intel i3 processor, nVidia Graphics, and TBS6905 4x DVB-S2 PCIe tuner card) running Ubuntu with Kodi/TVHeadend, Wetek Play2, Skybox M3.
My Location
Worcester
#16
hi sir .
can tbs 6925 recive spanish dtt on hispasat .if yes pls expleane me the way to ricive than .i like thows channels
Yes, any PC card should work for the Spanish channels (they're normal DVB-S2 transponders),

You need a PC running Linux (I use Ubuntu), VLC Media Player, The dvbstream package, the BISS keys, and maybe TVHeadend depending on how you want to watch the channels!
 
ameurberrim

ameurberrim

New Member
Messages
9
Likes
0
My Satellite Setup
astra 19.2
My Location
guemar
#17
thanks .
i want to know moor and moore.the biss keys when can i find it .i wante a big expline
 
Last edited:
SatSearcher

SatSearcher

Regular Member
Messages
215
Likes
110
My Satellite Setup
1m orbital dish with 0.1 Technomate LNB. TBS 6903 & TBS 5925 Card & Octagon SF4008. 39E-55W.
My Location
West Yorkshire
#18
OK so this is a strange one! I've noticed myself before that there's something unlockable on 11493V on Hispasat, but never really done anything about it. Having noticed this thread i'd thought i'd try to find the PLS code. I left CrazyScan searching for a few hours while i went out, and to my surprise it had a hit when i came back! I left it searching using COMBO (instead of ROOT or GOLD), and got the following.
11493V SR 7523 FEC 8/9 PLS code 2388.
I streamed this to 4T2 content analyser and there is a package of 4 TV channels and 7 or 8 radio channels.
The strange thing now is if i enter the found PLS code directly into CrazyScan, it won't lock! Even tried it on DVBDream and a couple of other programs, no lock!
So i'm going to leave it searching again and see if it reports the same PLS code, or whether it's changing on a regular basis (which would probably explain why it's not been reported as yet!). If i manage to lock it again i'll post some screen grabs!
 
SatSearcher

SatSearcher

Regular Member
Messages
215
Likes
110
My Satellite Setup
1m orbital dish with 0.1 Technomate LNB. TBS 6903 & TBS 5925 Card & Octagon SF4008. 39E-55W.
My Location
West Yorkshire
#19
So I can confirm the PLS code is 'COMBO 2388' although i still can't get it to lock by entering it directly. I use the 'search PLS code' function on CrazyScan, but enter a starting number of 2385, and it locks when it gets to 2388. I've attached a couple of screenshots. 30°W Multistream_977472 30°W Multistream_977472
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top