Bought a Panasonic DSB20 last year and have an 80cm dish and standard 0.7dB universal LNB. Live near Madrid - 40km NW and 900 meters above sea level (don't know if that matters). Get Channel 4 most of the day in the winter, though now hardly at all - suspect recent high winds might have moved the dish a tad. Never got ITV, nor transmissions from north beam vertical transponders. Now the beeb are moving am trying to decide what dish size I'll need. Suspect that 150 will be necessary though as it will have to go on the roof, I'm not sure if that is practical. Would like to hear more reports from Spain - especially Madrid to help me decide. Thanks.