ive only tried premium x 8000fg in the shop not echo sat but echo sat has a smart card slot as well as two cam slots where as premium x has only one smart card slot but premium x has a chip inside which opens multivision tps xxl it opens many pay packets so does echo sat however echo sat is not as efficiant as premium x in finding those codes so i might need to buy a cam and update like the matrix cards or joker cards or whatever so it hard for me to decide besides i dont know if ever they give support with echo sat i know for sure they give support to premium x also the guy who sells the sats. recommended me the premium x which is ten quid cheaper then echosat but it doesnt have any cam slots and if u want to switch between irdeto and viaccess say u have to take one smart card out and put the other one u can never watch them at the same time