Comparison of 2.4m dishes

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Hello everybody :)

I have read quite a lot here in this excellent forum but still this question is in my mind so i hope the experienced installers of you who have checked lots of dishes can answer this.

Well say you'd like to install a motorised dish for C & KU band where it's wished that it's optimized for KU band but not losing too much on C band as well. Further on an azimuth range of 90-270° (East to West) and an elevation range of 0°-90° is another criterium. But it should also be corrosive resistant which is important especially in regions near the sea coast.

Which 2.4m would you prefer and why ?

I read a lot about Channel Master, Prodelin, Patriot, Andrew, DH, Famaval, Supral and more which i don't remember for now and to be honest regarding the specifications and in special their gain i get confused why a dish with lower gain (same frequency) like Famaval practically performs better than another, say DH.

Also how big are the differences between them in windy areas ? Are there any that you would not choose in this case ?

Thanks a lot for your time in advance :)
 
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2.4m for C-band is to small i think, when i did my hobby i had a 3.1 meter dish with a C-band LNB 25 degress K and i think it was absolutely minimum to have.

I would look at 3.8 meter at least or even bigger to do some serious DX'ing.

DH Antennas are spunned aluminium dishes and have a very high effeciency, i would choose one of their antennas if you want the best performance, however they are delivered in "one" piece, and i know how it is to ship a 4 meter dish in one piece, it's very heavy and you need several people just to lift the monster.

If you have the resources i would choose DH, maybe their 4.5 meter spun dish with Gibraltar mount?

Next dish manufacturer should be Prodelin, i have worked with these and they are commercial grade dishes, however it's 10 years since i touched a Prodelin dish.

They are better and easier to handle as they are segmented in several pieces and easier to move around, they will perform very good, however not as good as the DH antennas.

Channel Master only makes 2.4m Offset as the largest dish, and it's Andrew today as Channel Master went bankcrupt several years ago, Andrew bought the whole division under the name Andrew.

Offset dishes and C-band is not a good example, i don't really like Offset dishes, they are good for smaller dishes, big dishes should be prime-focus.

Also you will have huge problems finding a C-band and Ku-band feed for a Offset dish like the Chaparral Corotor or ADL feeds, they are all made for prime-focus.

Famaval i don't know anything about, they seem a bit fragile and to so sturdy when i see the picture of the mount and everything.....

Supral, never heard of.....

Another dish manufacturer you should consider is Precision Antennas in United Kingdom, they are commercial grade antennas of VERY high quality, they are like the DH Antenns spun in aluminium and is delivered in one piece.

Could be cheaper buying the Precision dish compared to DH as they are shipped from the U.K and the DH from USA.

To summarize it i can say solid spun aluminum dishes are the best performers of all dishes, however they can warp in extremely cold weather like we have in the Nordics or Russia.

And aluminium is corrosion resistant so it is a benefit as well.

My choice would be either the DH or Precision dish, at least 3 meter, with a Seavey Engineering combined C/KU-feed with servo to adjust polarization.

You already have a Technomate that is both capable of 36V AZ/EL steering and polarizer steering for the feed.
 
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Likvid thank you very much for your detailed help. You are absolutely right and i am aware of it that C-Band requires dishes bigger than the 2.4m that i mentioned. The problem is that many people have not the room for them and of course the money, so i set a limit at this size. 2.4m dishes can be installed by greek law without needing any kind of permission. Inside towns you can only put them on the flat roof and just few people consider problems with neighbours or householders. 2.4m is just right, the more north the better, to get most of the difficult european satellites on KU Band though not everything, there you would need indeed up to 5m solid for full permanent reception of Astra 2D, Astra 1F, Sirius 3, Amos 1 in Athens.
Well to make it short, a 2.4m is more than sufficient for most people there for KU-band but it would be a pity not to receive also some C-Band satellites say as a bonus. The majority is interested in 40.5W, 68.5E, 78.5E, 80E, 90E. With a 2.40m dish you can get almost all C-Band frequencies of these satellites there. And most of the also very interesting african and asian channels on other positions as well. I agree with you that in case of extreme DXing a much bigger dish is needed but cannot be installed on the top of a tower block of 5-10 floors. This is something for the countryside if you own a big garden.
Since i saw many of your by the way great photos and know that you are an experienced installer i count a lot on your opinion. I know 2 people in Greece that have a 2.40m DH PFA. They really seem to perform very well and in case of the one the dish looks indestroyable. He bought it in 1990 and still is like new. But i heard lots of good things about the other manufacturers here and else and wanted to know if there is any better which one can afford. I think the limit for a 2.40m for many people would be around 1000-1500€ for a new one of course. I don't know which mount then you need to reach say elevations of 5°-50°, 0° should be very difficult and to be honest, how many people have the luck to have optical contact to such low satellites ? I suppose that the azimuthal range shouldn't be a problem.

Precision Antennas you say, alright i heard about them, maybe it was from your reports Likvid but compared to others i never got any info. But i don't think that they are available in Greece unlike the DH or Prodelin that can be found. But as i understood you the DH's perform a tick better right ?

Well and for the C/KU feed, what is your opinion about this czech Uniband C/KU LNBF that can handle both linear as well as circular polarized C+KU signals ? They have implemented a high gain system with regular flange Invacom and Chaparral LNBFs. Here are the links that i found in the german satbook forum:
http://www.tel-satexp.cz/ml_3.htm
http://www.tel-satexp.cz/ml_3_en.htm
Do you or anybody else know if they really perform as well as they advertise ? The company looks quite serious and they also are 20 years in sat-business so i'd suppose yes but a practical report is needed.

My goodness, i am writing too much. Hope nobody got a headache :)
Awaiting your always appreciated advice.

Best regards, Christos from Stuttgart/Germany.
 
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Is it possible to install a 3 meter dish?

I would really recommend 3 meter and it's not that much bigger than 2.4m.

If you have DH represented down where you are it's better to go for that dish instead, i still recommend DH over all other antenna types as they have a very high efficieny over other types of antennas like Prodelin SMC dishes.

After reading DH pricelist it would cost you about:

DH Antenna 3 meter dish(.3 f/d) with H-H mount $3,700

Seavey Engineering SVY-ESR124H(with 0.3 f/d option) Single Polarity C / Single Polarity Ku-band with Servo motor, 3.7 - 4.2GHz $440

Total price: $4,140 excluding delivery and VAT.

There is no problem going at low elevation angles if you have the right mount, i have received satellites at 1.5 degress elevation once from Panamsat, it picks up alot of ground noise and that's why you should have a deep dish which i noted in the price above, 0.30 f/d

Only feed that works with that low f/d is Seavey and they have minimal losses compared to other types.

Best bang for bucks you get with DH, why choose another one when they perform worse?
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Likvid thank you very much for your detailed help. You are absolutely right and i am aware of it that C-Band requires dishes bigger than the 2.4m that i mentioned. The problem is that many people have not the room for them and of course the money, so i set a limit at this size. 2.4m dishes can be installed by greek law without needing any kind of permission. Inside towns you can only put them on the flat roof and just few people consider problems with neighbours or householders. 2.4m is just right, the more north the better, to get most of the difficult european satellites on KU Band though not everything, there you would need indeed up to 5m solid for full permanent reception of Astra 2D, Astra 1F, Sirius 3, Amos 1 in Athens.
Well to make it short, a 2.4m is more than sufficient for most people there for KU-band but it would be a pity not to receive also some C-Band satellites say as a bonus. The majority is interested in 40.5W, 68.5E, 78.5E, 80E, 90E. With a 2.40m dish you can get almost all C-Band frequencies of these satellites there. And most of the also very interesting african and asian channels on other positions as well. I agree with you that in case of extreme DXing a much bigger dish is needed but cannot be installed on the top of a tower block of 5-10 floors. This is something for the countryside if you own a big garden.
Since i saw many of your by the way great photos and know that you are an experienced installer i count a lot on your opinion. I know 2 people in Greece that have a 2.40m DH PFA. They really seem to perform very well and in case of the one the dish looks indestroyable. He bought it in 1990 and still is like new. But i heard lots of good things about the other manufacturers here and else and wanted to know if there is any better which one can afford. I think the limit for a 2.40m for many people would be around 1000-1500€ for a new one of course. I don't know which mount then you need to reach say elevations of 5°-50°, 0° should be very difficult and to be honest, how many people have the luck to have optical contact to such low satellites ? I suppose that the azimuthal range shouldn't be a problem.

Precision Antennas you say, alright i heard about them, maybe it was from your reports Likvid but compared to others i never got any info. But i don't think that they are available in Greece unlike the DH or Prodelin that can be found. But as i understood you the DH's perform a tick better right ?

Well and for the C/KU feed, what is your opinion about this czech Uniband C/KU LNBF that can handle both linear as well as circular polarized C+KU signals ? They have implemented a high gain system with regular flange Invacom and Chaparral LNBFs. Here are the links that i found in the german satbook forum:
http://www.tel-satexp.cz/ml_3.htm
http://www.tel-satexp.cz/ml_3_en.htm
Do you or anybody else know if they really perform as well as they advertise ? The company looks quite serious and they also are 20 years in sat-business so i'd suppose yes but a practical report is needed.

My goodness, i am writing too much. Hope nobody got a headache :)
Awaiting your always appreciated advice.

Best regards, Christos from Stuttgart/Germany.
 
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Likvid for me personally these are future plans, maybe if i will be lucky to find a landlord that is not mad about these BUDs - i find them pretty eh :).
But my question should represent all people down there that would like to go for a motorized C/KU System for which KU is 1st choice and the rest as i said a bonus.
Indeed 3m is not that much difference in size but the costs are. I don't think that there are so many people that would pay such a huge sum. The 2.4m limit from the greek telecommunications regulatories is just typical by the way. I am not aware of any case where somebody was forced to take the dish away. I only know from one person that got the permission form immediately from them, so this is not a problem at all. If you would see how many water heaters are up there and more illegal rooms built...

I understand that the 3m has a lower f/D and is deeper but i didn't now that it collects less thermal ground noise. Have i understood you well that this would be a problem only to satellites on lower elevation (<5°) in hot days and worse on KU Band ?

Since you haven't lost a word about the czech Uniband LNBF i must guess that you haven't tested it yet or am i wrong ? This one works only on dishes with an f/D of 0.34-0.44 as can be seen here: http://www.tel-satexp.cz/ml_3_spec.htm

Surely a Seavey feed is the best of the best if installed correctly but does this perform so much better ?

Highend is great if you can afford it but for the mass of enthusiasts i think that a good system is also sufficient instead of getting any steel homemade dish with bigger diameter that focus is worse and a well made smaller one.

Seems you are no fan of the DH 2.4m. Or is it because of the higher f/D only ?
 
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DH 2.4m is good, probably one of the best antennas you can buy today, but it got a f/d of 0.375 which is pretty good, you can't get everything and i don't know any other dish that is much deeper than that on the market that is 2.4 meter.

I still recommend Seavey, you will see an improvement over any ADL or Chaparral feed, specially Ku-band.

The Chaparral Corotor which is C and Ku-band have HUGE losses in Ku-band.

I've used one many years ago and with the 3 meter dish i had and it was working like a 1.8 meter at Ku-band with the Corotor, that huge loss you will get.

The feeds in the combined C/Ku-band polarizers are really C-band feedhorns that is a compromise, Seavey have made the best product of them all but it costs more.

Seavey is like $440 and the ADL or Chaparral is like $150, difference is about $300, not much of a big deal really.......

It's not fun having a 2.4meter dish that performs like maybe a 1.5 meter dish in Ku-band just because you wanted to save $300......

The other Czech product i know nothing about.......

The small dishes that entered the market many years ago spoiled the whole thing when it comes to regulations, we wouldn't have any regulations if it wasn't for all small dishes that was popping up everywhere....

In my country there is really no regulations for a 3 or 4 meter dish, if you own the house it's up to you what you want, however dishes like 5 or 6 meter needs build permit.

BUD is a bad word, they are not ugly, how can people think large dishes are ugly? what i think is ugly are all small dishes everywhere with Diseqc motors and shit that people are setting up.....

Nothing is nicer than a large dish.
 
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Likvid i really appreciate the time you are spending to explain everything in a such detailed way. Not many professionals do this. The other thing is that more one learns the more questions come up :)

Indeed the mass of small dishes has made it difficult to get installed a big nice dish since the majority thinks that they are just a hobby of the rich. I do not agree in any way since me personally i am not and would buy instead not an expensive car but a nice performing sat-system.

Let me return to the DH dishes. You mentioned that it depends on the suitable mount if it's possible to go down to elevations of 1-2°.

The Gibralter IV seems really to be the "Ferrari" since 0-90° Elevation and 200° Azimuth is guaranteed. It also looks like that the Az+El motors are included as i can see here: http://www.dhsatellite.com/gibralt dual p.htm
I don't dare to ask how much that costs but it looks great :) Also i am asking myself how an Echostar 3000/3600/7000 will be connected to it because of the 2 independent running motors (wrong ?). Can this system be compared with an EGIS that can also handle Autotracking of inclined birds ?

But the H2H here http://www.dhsatellite.com/horizon.htm also looks sufficient in many cases. Is here also the motor included and how much does it cost roughly ?

Now let me return to the Seavey feed. As far as i know you need 2 LNBFs, one for the KU, another for the C-Band. Usually for circular polarised signals you have to fit a dielectrical plate in the feed and get it out when you want to receive linear signals otherwise if you don't use it at all you'll lose about 3dB right ?
Well this is why i'm regarding the czech Uniband LNBF as very interesting since you don't have to do this anymore but i really don't know if it does perform as well as a Seavey with very good LNBFs for both bands.

Now let me return to the Seavey feed. As far as i know you need 2 LNBFs, one for the KU, another for the C-Band. Usually for circular polarised signals you have to fit a dielectrical plate in the feed and get it out when you want to receive linear signals otherwise if you don't use it at all you'll lose about 3dB right ?
Well this is why i regard the czech Uniband LNBF as very interesting since you don't have to do this anymore but i really don't know if it does perform as well as a Seavey with very good LNBFs for both bands. It would be a pity to lose so many C-Band circular frequencies.

Would you please tell me which LNBFs in each band you would favorize Likvid ? I mean also the non highend but the class below, tell them very good ones. I hear a lot about Invacom, California Amplifier, SMW, Norsat just to mention a few.

How do you switch between the C and KU-LNBF then since one coax cable is coming to the receiver ?

I also really wonder if one fits only a KU-LNBF to the feed of the dish how much more gain to you get instead of running Seavy and both LNBFs ? What i am trying to say is a 2.40m would it perform as a 2m in KU or less ? Suppose that's why you don't recommend starting with C-Band below 3m. But many new generations of satellites risen their power and thus in my simple opinion you can still get a great choice of both bands.

Well coming to the end this time let me ask you also this Likvid:
Many people use different receivers. For the moment i have got an Echostar LT8700, an Echostar 3000, a Nokia dbox1 with NDT1006A Tuner and DVB 2000 1.84.7, a Skystar 2 rev 2.3 and an analogue PCI card Technisat DISCOS for the german radio stations on the dying ADR-System in MPEG 1 Layer 2. I am awaiting the Dreambox 7025 so finally i think this collection will cover most of my needs.
Say i would use the Echostar 3000 as the master receiver. Dependent on if i would tune into a weak analogue or digital signal, a data stream i would like to connect additionally one of the rest of receivers i got. Since the 3000 has an IF out for the analogue tuner i could use this for connecting one of the other devices. The problem is that the loss would be too high in signals on the lock limit and thus useless. This is why i would tend to install a KU Quad-LNBF like the Invacoms that not really are that bad as far as i read here around. But then i am asking myself what about the C-Band ? So is it possible to get at the same time C+KU Band on 4 Receivers or should i forget this quickly and better handle it like this:
Use Single output LNBFs, turn the dish with the Echostar 3000 to the position that is wished, disconnect it from current and put the coax cable in the other wished receiver ? If Quick-F-connectors would be used this can be done without a tremendous effort but maybe there is a better solution for this.

Oh yeah, lots of text again and poor Likvid will be shocked, hope not eh ?
Best regards to the whole sat-community worldwide from sunny Stuttgart.

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That was alot of text.......

Try to answer some questions.

You have to contact DH for exact price quote as i don't have the complete pricelist, i assume the H-H mount or Gibraltar would be excellent for your requirements.

It's all up to what you want to spend, i would choose a DH antenna and the EGIS rotor from Germany but that costs alot of money.

When it comes to LNBs i think SMW stil makes the worlds best LNBs with WR75 flange, you really don't need an SMW LNB with PLL lock, DRO is enough.

The SMW is 5 times more expensive than the Invacom, you pay for quality with SMW, it's only up to you what you want to spend......

If i would use a Corotor or any other combined C/Ku-band feed i would choose a Ku-band LNB with WR75 flange or else you need an adapter to transform the waves correctly.

Close second i think Norsat comes but they don't have an LNB that covers the whole band 10.7-12.75GHz, you have to check with them about that.

The Technomate receiver you have can drive AZ/EL motor.

I do know that the Echostar LT8700 can't do that as i owned that receiver myself once.

Yes, you have one cable to run to both C-band and Ku-band LNB's, you use a two-port switch to switch between the LNBs and then one cable to the receiver.

The dialectric plate for C-band in the feed doesn't really affect the performance of Ku-band signals if you install the plate at exactly H or V position.

Corotor+ International comes with built-in dialectric plate that is installed correctly, so does Seavey.

However the Corotor have pretty high losses in Ku-band as i used to own one myself and it didn't last long til i replaced it with Seavey which was much better.

What i want to say is that a 2.4meter dish with Corotor will perform as a 1.5 meter dish at Ku-band, Seavey is much better.
 
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Once again thanks a lot Likvik. I am sure this will help a lot of people worldwide. :)

Best regards, Christos
 
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DH 2.4 meter

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Oh yeah, this is really nice :)
 
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Yes, i did find the picture on some Cyprus forum.

I would really get the EGIS motor if you can afford it, it must be the top choice.
 
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The EGIS Antenna-Rotor http://www.egis-rotor.de/Aroto_us.html seems really to be very good, though one problem exists: Since the dish diameter is restricted to 2.5m solid and the elevation hub to 40° this would mean that somebody south of 44° North could not get down to elevations of 0° if that is wished.
But the Autotracking function and the precise movement in Azimuth and Elevation make it one of the best choices i think. As i have understood often the disalignment of the dish is the problem and not the insufficient dish surface when somebody is close to the edge of a footprint.

Surely there is another version of them called Autotracker III http://www.egis-rotor.de/Autot_us.html that can move up to 60" actuators. Suppose this is the one you mean :)

I also read about other positioners. Don't remember their names but Ed the MasterDXer in Denmark should have mentioned them. He has also one on his 3.1m in use if i am right. Or was it his 4.5m ? I am not sure.

By the way: Do you remember in which Cyprus-Forum you saw it because i am searching for worldwide sat-fora in general. I only got this one from Cyprus: http://www.cysat.net (On the left under "Cysat" is the forum-link)
 
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Yes that Danish guy who lived in an apartment, did he ever get to install that 4.5 meter Precision Antenna ontop of the building or is it still laying on the ground?

I found the picture from this site http://www.sdtv.gr

What is your budget right now? is $5,000 maximum you want to spend on equipment or is it lower or higher?


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I also read about other positioners. Don't remember their names but Ed the MasterDXer in Denmark should have mentioned them. He has also one on his 3.1m in use if i am right. Or was it his 4.5m ? I am not sure.

By the way: Do you remember in which Cyprus-Forum you saw it because i am searching for worldwide sat-fora in general. I only got this one from Cyprus: http://www.cysat.net (On the left under "Cysat" is the forum-link)
 
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Hehe if this ain't a surprise. And i said that photo you know :)

Well i am part of sdtv.gr which is a greek forum and helping people all around the world (focus on the greek speaking community) as much as i can so that's why. This one you posted is located in Larisa (39°40'N/22°25'E) and i talk regularly with the person that has it in use only on KU Band so far.

MasterDXer is posting from time to time on the german board http://board.satbook.de/wbb/ but the last time he did is some weeks ago and as far as i know he had not yet his 4.5m set up. He also imported an old 4m Siemens PFA from Austria.

Concerning my future installation there are some problems yet to solve:
Find a job (this is the most difficult of all in Germany in these hard times), collecting enough money, find a flat to rent in a house with flat roof on top in Thessaloniki (40°40'/23°00') with an open horizon (43W-93.5E would be ideal where 55W-100.5E are above horizon) and enough space for this monster. An ADSL-flatrate is a must which should be not a problem in town but outside i really can't stand to travel back in time using an expensive and slow ISDN line, not that ADSL is fast with its 384/128 and 50€/month but at least a flatrate with less problems than other kinds of connections there but this is another story. Also rotatable UHF and FM Yagi Antennas should be allowed to install.

Well these are the plans and depending on how things rule they will be fulfilled or not. Will not be easy to find such a flat to rent especially when you are not rich. But as i hear from friends there are still many landlords that are tolerant concerning big dishes and 2.4m in town can be concerned as big although in my opinion i would put it in the middle sized ones.

The max. amount for the dish, feed, LNBFs, mount, motorization and build up i suppose to spend is about 3000€. I know it's not much. That's also why i was thinking about not the best equipment.

By the way: The photo gallery of sdtv is here: http://www.sdtv.gr/wpdir/photogallery/

Some other installations in Greece can be seen on the following two links:
http://www.msg-shop.gr/setup.asp and http://www.satworld.gr/gallery11.htm
 
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Mr Likvid and Mr Deepbluesea, and anyone who knows about mesh dishes (the one with holes in it to let the air pass), i have a 2.40 cm American KTI dish , it is old, 10 years old, broke last winter, needs alot of repair, i used it for analogue reception , now i got a new solid dish , but it aint good coz i am in a very windy high area (9 floor building) , so i have to go back to mesh wind resistant dish , i dont know any specifiaction of it, but will it work as KU digital dish as well? i want to be able to watch Hispasat and Astra @19 ,i see both of them with that solid one (when there is no wind) with 60-70% quality in signal, so how low it will drop with the mesh older dish (if any drop or difference excist) coz dish guyz here told me it aint good 4 digital, please tell me ,coz i dont want to go with the trouble fixing it and get nothing, it needs ALOT of work really.
if at least give me a site for this strange American brand (KTI).
thank u in advance
 
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Likvid

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#18
The mesh dish will work as a solid dish if the holes are within 2.54 mm tolerance.

I did have the Winegard Pinnacle 10 feet dish way back in time, it was Ku-band mesh in that and it performed nearly as good as a solid dish, however it was the petals that made it perform worse than the solid dish i compared with.
 
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#19
Hi,

Unfortunately the former domain of http://www.ktidish.com/ is not alive anymore, so i don't know where you can find further detailed information about those dishes but i know that many stores around the world still sell them. Indeed i also read that KTI is one of the better mesh dish manufacturers but be aware that you lose about 60-80% (the smaller the holes the less the loss) of signal compared to a well made solid one. This would mean that in worst case (if the dish is still perfect parabolic shaped) it would perform as a solid PFA of 0.6*2.4m=1.44m and in best case as a 0.8*2.4m=1.92m
I suppose latter is the case because further north in Cyprus Astra 1G reception starts on 1.50m Offset and full permanent reception of 1G+1H needs 1.80m offset or 2.40m PFA always solid. Hispasat 1C+D need around 2.40m as well. I am not sure if there is any big difference on these satellites between Cyprus and Northern Egypt (suppose you are there) but if not then i would go for at least the 3m mesh version, though i am not sure if this would be enough in your region. But i also know of the restriction in size at least in Cairo and probably a 3m would not be allowed.
Since all the size announcements are based on different people's installs my recommendation would be to ask a local installer or hotels what equipment they have in use. To try a 3m and see at the end that it won't bring you the wished results would be very annoying.

Sorry, that's all i can tell you about my friend. Maybe anybody else here can say more ?
 
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#20
thanks for the reply

please forgive me, but it really needs a hard work to get this dish back up, will take it down ,then to the shop where the iron is melted to fix the broken aluminum that holds the mesh together , then up again, and i cant even remember how the polar was fixed in the mount (it is different than the solid ones as u know) i took it down 8 month ago,and no enginers works on mesh here in Egypt at all , so its a "Hard times" that i am letting myself into again.

but i dont know the mesure of the holes ,whether it is 2.54 or more !!! do u have any idea about the KTI models? its site ?
and more important, do u think that the 10 years would not effect the aluminum the mesh made of and effect the reciption of the signals? i cant see the color (black)or the mesh clearly on some parts , doesnt it matter ?

sorry

and thank u .
 
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