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Has anyone built a system that can receive and record both Satellite and Freeview ? Ideally with PVR functionality for both systems. How easy would this be to accomplish ?

Cheers,

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Don't have any personal experience but I can't imagine why not. The only problem would be that you couldn't get any of the $ly encrypted channels at 28E - is that a problem?

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Allen1066 said:
Has anyone built a system that can receive and record both Satellite and Freeview ? Ideally with PVR functionality for both systems. How easy would this be to accomplish ?

Cheers,

Allen
You mean two DVB cards? Might be possible, but I've tried a WinTV terrestial analog card with an SS2 card and there's a conflict problem between the two.
 
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Paul, Not getting $ly would be no worry to me.

Llew, What sort of conflict. Were these to PCI cards ? What operating system were you using ?

I would be nice to use a Shuttle type system (SFF), but the trouble is most of them only have one PCI slot. Also it would need to be very quiet as it would be in the living room.
 
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Paul, Not getting $ly would be no worry to me.

Llew, What sort of conflict. Were these to PCI cards ? What operating system were you using ?

I would be nice to use a Shuttle type system (SFF), but the trouble is most of them only have one PCI slot. Also it would need to be very quiet as it would be in the living room.
Win XP. Afraid I'm no PC expert but presumably they were both trying to grab the video board.You could start either apps but screen froze on both.
 
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I don't suppose there is such a thing as acombined card then that can handle both DVB-S and DVB-T together ?
 
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I'm sure that there will be, people like Technisat are looking at the combination in standalone units, so why not PC Cards.
 
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In fact FortecStar already do a couple of combined units (the Diamond type). So it must be possible. Maybe I'll just hang on a bit.
 
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Take a look at vdr or mythtv, both support digital cards. VDR is better for the kind of setup you are talking about but most of the info about it is in german. Both systems use linux running on standard computer hardware. You'd just need a couple of digital TV cards (hauppauge is a popular brand) one for freeview and another for FTA sat. There are people who have vdr set up as their main satellite box, driving a motorised system.
 
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Very interesting, thanks for the info. VDR looks like a nice system. Do you know aof anyone who has actually combined DVB-T and DVB-S in the same box using this system ?
 
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Allen1066 said:
Has anyone built a system that can receive and record both Satellite and Freeview ? Ideally with PVR functionality for both systems. How easy would this be to accomplish ?

Cheers,

Allen
No Probs allan
i have the 2 cards running ok with pvr
they are
technisat airstar 2 pc card cost me ( freeview) £70
technistar skstar 2 pc card £59
both work under windows ME
windows XP Home
windows XP pro inc service pack 2
let me know if or anybody wants the link to it
kind regards
hmtheping :cool: :cool:
 
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hmtheping, I'd like to see that! What sort of case do you use. How much noise does the system make ?
 
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hmtheping, I'd like to see that! What sort of case do you use. How much noise does the system make ?
Hi allen
I use a matrix case with a morex CWT-550ADP power supply £30
got a AMD 64 bit cpu
2x 80gig SATA drives @ 10,000 RPM
GForce NVIDIA FX 5950 ULTRA 256meg
airstar 2pci freeview card
skystar 2 pci card
Pinnacle PCTV card
1 gig ram @ 400 mhz
It runs so quiet its unbelieveable
if you want the link for the case & PSU just let me know as they deliver anywhere in the uk next day
kind regards
hmtheping :cool:
 
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That sounds like a very high spec machine. I would have thought that would make quite a bit of noise.
So what operating system do you use, how do all the cards integrate, or do you just run seperate programs for each. This VDR application looks quite good, but how does it integrate all the seperate cards and their functionality ?
 
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The main receiver boards from Techsan have the same processors for both system formats, the difference would be the plug in tuner board and the demodulator circuitry.

A wide band tuner would possibly remove one part of having double the components, then the only difference would be the power rail to the input connector, and the demod chipset.
 
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Hi allen
I use a matrix case with a morex CWT-550ADP power supply £30
got a AMD 64 bit cpu
2x 80gig SATA drives @ 10,000 RPM
GForce NVIDIA FX 5950 ULTRA 256meg
airstar 2pci freeview card
skystar 2 pci card
Pinnacle PCTV card
1 gig ram @ 400 mhz
It runs so quiet its unbelieveable
if you want the link for the case & PSU just let me know as they deliver anywhere in the uk next day
kind regards
hmtheping :cool:
Can you send me a link for the case.

What software are you using to control all your cards ?

Thanks,

Allen
 
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hmtheping said:
No Probs allan
i have the 2 cards running ok with pvr
they are
technisat airstar 2 pc card cost me ( freeview) £70
technistar skstar 2 pc card £59
both work under windows ME
windows XP Home
windows XP pro inc service pack 2
let me know if or anybody wants the link to it
kind regards
hmtheping :cool: :cool:
I tried but the skystar & airstar use same drivers and as i had the skystar installed, when i tried to instal the airstar it wanted to uninstal the driver for the skystar, so i have the airstar in the wife's pc , but would be nice if they could both be in my pc with the extra harddrive for recordings
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You might get away with using the airstar and the skystar USB on the same box in that case, as the USB version has a different driver name. Search this forum for one of my old posts on this if it appeals.

I'm not allowed to put anything in my wife's box at the moment... O-no
 
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I would be nice to use a Shuttle type system (SFF), but the trouble is most of them only have one PCI slot. Also it would need to be very quiet as it would be in the living room.


Asus do a low-line unit Asus Pundit-R P4 Barebones System (Silver) which takes an Intel P4 (FS-014-AS) and has TWO PCI slots but no AGP slot - see below for description from a UK retailer. Costs about £100 + VAT in UK.

"The Asus Pundit-R Barebones System is a space saving, cost-effective and exquisitely designed desktop solution. The Pundit-R supports the Pentium 4 CPU on 800MHz FSB (front side bus) and DDR 400 memory. Incorporating an all-in-one design, which includes support for PCMCIA, 4-in-1 card reader (MMC, SD, SM, MS), IEEE 1394 and S/PDIF digital audio. In addition, the Pundit provides a high-quality multimedia experience with DVI out, TV out and 5.1-channel audio-out. Built-in features such as TV-out, 5.1-channel audio-out, S/PDIF digital audio, DVI-out enable a complete multimedia experience. The Pundit combines PC, TV, video recording, home entertainment, CD, MP3, VCD and DVD functions in one stylish package.

- Supports Intel Pentium 4 Socket 478 3.2GHz+
- 2 x DDR PC 3200/2700/2100/1600 DDR SDRAM slots
- 1 x 5.25" External Bay, 1 x 3.5" Internal Bay
- 2 x PCI expansion slots
- Integrated 4-in-1 Card Reader (SM, MS, MMC, SD)
- 1 x S-Video, 1 x TV-out, 1 x DVI-Out
- 4 x USB 2.0
- On-Board AC '97 Audio
- Integrated 10/100 Mbps LAN"

I may build a PVR using this case, but I understand from the Den that this will mean using an non-Windows OS. Look at the PVR section on that site for more info.

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jeallen01 said:
Asus do a low-line unit Asus Pundit-R P4 Barebones System (Silver) which takes an Intel P4 (FS-014-AS) and has TWO PCI slots but no AGP slot - see below for description from a UK retailer. Costs about £100 + VAT in UK.
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I may build a PVR using this case, but I understand from the Den that this will mean using an non-Windows OS. Look at the PVR section on that site for more info.
You can build a pvr based on windows, take a look at Snapstream PVR, Showshifter, or even Windows XP Media Centre Edition.

Sites such as PVR Blog and PVRUK give news and links to reviews for recent pvr software and hardware.

Be careful with the Asus pundit if you decide to go with a Linux PVR - some of the models use the Ati RS300 chipset which has problems with linux support (difficult to set up drivers for built video/LAN/sound) others use an SiS chipset which may be better.

UK Tivos are still sold on ebay and may be your best choice for a quick, simple solution.
 
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