EDISION PRIMO IP S2 H.265 HEVC MULTISTREAM

[paulvr]

Like I said, I'd try using a smaller dih, the 180 cm Channel Master offset to be precise. Reception of course was notably weaker, but eventually after much trying in vain I did capture two frequencies above 3700. To be precise: 3740 V (TV KBR, now broadcasting Mir24) and 3743 V (ORT). Both just barely OK with the ChannelMaster dish. Other channels just wouldn't be scanned from the transponder list no matter what I did.

However, when switching back to the 3 Mtr Unimesh I noticed that these two channels were a LOT more powerful and stable with this larger dish. Understabable, but then of course the question is if this receiver must be returned. Apparently it has a far too high treshold when it comes to scanning T2-MI streams from a transponder even though the signal is strong enough. Does anyone recognize this conclusion?

By the way, when scanning from an existing transponder (found via blindscan and verified to have correct data via Lyngsat) the menu doesn't give the option that asks if you want to scan a stream, probably because you already made that choice when blindscanning, but it does ask if you want a NIT-search. But one doen't see any difference in the results.

Another perhaps important thing: I see that some transponders with streams are somehow found thrice, I'll attach a picture (sorry for the lightfall through the closed curtains). Note at the left KBR and ORT each "found" 3 times and at the right the set of 4 radio stations from 3676 V which also got listed three times when the scan in Auto Modus was carried out.

I'm afraid that there's not much I can do other than a factory reset before turning it back in? I did update the software to the latest (.60), perhaps I should also return it to the one-before-last software it came with?

Upps, I just see that I'll have to reduce the pic in order to put it here, need to first look for an image reducer for my PC so perhaps I'll ask you to take my word on it :-)

 

[RustySpoons]

Been messing around with this Primo IP S2, can't seem to get RGB out of the SCART/PERITEL socket, seems to be only composite.
Is this how they are?

 

[scopus]

Thanks but no: the streams on 40 East are lefthand and righthand circular polarizend C-Band signals that are independent of a skews. Skews only are relevant for linear signals. And where the French audio signals on 5 West are concerned: there a skew cannot be relevant because the TV stations on both frequencies are received perfectly well. And like I mentioned before, they aren't streams.

I don't agree with you about skew on cirular polarised signals, indeed I need to use my servo motor to skew some channels in off 40w C band, makes a big difference for me!

 

[scopus]

Been messing around with this Primo IP S2, can't seem to get RGB out of the SCART/PERITEL socket, seems to be only composite.
Is this how they are?

Think so Rusty...

 

[paulvr]

PS: one disappointing message: I was so happy that writing the settings with E-channelizer worked. But I was wrong. Even though the computer screen told me that the changes had been made and also the fact that the Edision rebooted, I now see that all the duplicates I removed from the first Bouquet (FAT TV D Astra) are still present in the receiver and so they still show when I read it with E-Channelizer.

 

[paulvr]

Scopus: perhaps you are using a dialectricum for circular polarization? In that case you are right because you most likely use a rectangular entry to the LNB part itself. I am using stubs in the round feedhorn attached to my Zinwell LNB which has an equally round entry. Nothing square anywhere between the incoming signal and the antenna probe. And it's one complete construction so one cannot change the position of the stubs in relation to the LNB itself. With such a feedhorn I never found any difference in skewing the entire LNBF one way or another.

But meanwhile perhaps I found the malfunction (not the solution): all works fine when I do a blindscan for transponder frequencies but NOT when I do an auto scan for radio and tv stations. There it stops between 3700 and 3750. That is: the scan goes on until the very end but nothing more can be found. However, when I do a transponder scan I see that all frequencies that I should be able to get show very substantial strength (well above 80%) and mostly 100% quality. BUT... When I do a scan for the particular transponder in order to get a list of stations, I see that the middle bar at the right top of the screen (strength) says at first 90% but then drops to zero and after the scan is completed without any results Both the strength bar and the quality bar at the bottom of the screen say 0%. Even when I go back to the transponder list the transponder that showed 100% quality before the scan now shows 0% as does the strength bar. Only when I move up or down to another transponder in the list with the remote control and then go back it will again show 90 and 100% respectively.

Conclusion: apparently there is something right at the beginning of the search procedure that blocks any further antenna signal from coming in, and therefore nothing is found by the receiver. That's the only thing I can come up with. Does that sound plausible to you?

 

[scopus]

Scopus: perhaps you are using a dialectricum for circular polarization? In that case you are right because you most likely use a rectangular entry to the LNB part itself. I am using stubs in the round feedhorn attached to my Zinwell LNB which has an equally round entry. Nothing square anywhere between the incoming signal and the antenna probe. And it's one complete construction so one cannot change the position of the stubs in relation to the LNB itself. With such a feedhorn I never found any difference in skewing the entire LNBF one way or another.

But meanwhile perhaps I found the malfunction (not the solution): all works fine when I do a blindscan for transponder frequencies but NOT when I do an auto scan for radio and tv stations. There it stops between 3700 and 3750. That is: the scan goes on until the very end but nothing more can be found. However, when I do a transponder scan I see that all frequencies that I should be able to get show very substantial strength (well above 80%) and mostly 100% quality. BUT... When I do a scan for the particular transponder in order to get a list of stations, I see that the middle bar at the right top of the screen (strength) says at first 90% but then drops to zero and after the scan is completed without any results Both the strength bar and the quality bar at the bottom of the screen say 0%. Even when I go back to the transponder list the transponder that showed 100% quality before the scan now shows 0% as does the strength bar. Only when I move up or down to another transponder in the list with the remote control and then go back it will again show 90 and 100% respectively.

Conclusion: apparently there is something right at the beginning of the search procedure that blocks any further antenna signal from coming in, and therefore nothing is found by the receiver. That's the only thing I can come up with. Does that sound plausible to you?

Paul,

I too use the Zinwell but with the AV Comm barrel from Austrailia which does give me extra gain together with the servo motor for skew.
On the receiver, I think you said you selected MTS on for each transponder correct? I had to turn this on for those transponders you cannot receive then scan them individually to get any channels, but it sounds like you have already tried this.
Perhaps a slight skew adjustment of the LNB might do the trick? Pity you cannot try another receiver to prove what it is thats causing the problem. Anyway good luck!

 

[paulvr]

Hi,
I guess you overlooked the first part of my post above yours. I no longer used the AVCOMM for the exact reason you stated: the need to adjust for skewing positions. Logical because the polarizer "barrel" has a rectangular opening. Like the owner of AVComm told me, it never was created to handle all four polarities so unless you buy or create the motorized version (which they themselves no longer produce) it will never cover H, V, L and R at the same time with just a dialectricum.
In addition I found that the polarizer was very frequency sensitive, improving some parts of the C-band while deteriorating other parts. So I went back to Chapparal and the experimented a lot with all linds of stubs and printed plastic plates until I finally ran into a ready-made no-name design at a rummage sale that performs better than anything I used so far. I haven't really found any missing C-Band transponders on any satellites that I should pick up with a Unimesh 3 metre dish so far so I really don't think that that would be the most logical place to find the fault. And like I said, my 180 offset dish with Alyano feed renders the same resulys but somewhat weaker.
Thanks for your good wishes, I'll contact Amazon tomorrow.

 

[stephan94]

With an antenna of 1.20 and with all kinds of LNC (zinwell, Titanium, panorama, Alyano) with AVcom or without AVCom, I managed to receive the frequencies above 3700.
I do not know where your problem may come from
because this satellite is easily receivable even with small antennas and an approximate setting.

 

[paulvr]

Thanks for this information and the trouble you took to show this information. But like I said, there must be some kind of fault in the Edision receiver. I get all the things you show via both dishes but the receiver hardly recognizes any broadcasts in most streams. And I have an amazing number of entries in the database after scanning but almost nothing is recognized in terms of visible stations in the list. I'll enclose the list that the Edision scanned in yesterday after I updated the software, images taken from E-channelizer. Only a fraction of this list can be seen, at most transponder frequencies the receiver receives not one single station. And please note the incredible number of duplicates as well!

How come that they are listed by name in the station list if the Edision, I have absolutely no idea. By the way, I created a separate favorites list named 40 East with E-channelizer but although writing to the Edision box went OK according to the program and even a restart of the box was part of the procedure, nothing was changed in the Edision database so that brought no solution either. Nice lists but no access to them via the receiver. In the all channel list of the Edision the many never received Russian channels aren't visible.

 

[scopus]

Thanks for this information and the trouble you took to show this information. But like I said, there must be some kind of fault in the Edision receiver. I get all the things you show via both dishes but the receiver hardly recognizes any broadcasts in most streams. And I have an amazing number of entries in the database after scanning but almost nothing is recognized in terms of visible stations in the list. I'll enclose the list that the Edision scanned in yesterday after I updated the software, images taken from E-channelizer. Only a fraction of this list can be seen, at most transponder frequencies the receiver receives not one single station. And please note the incredible number of duplicates as well!

How come that they are listed by name in the station list if the Edision, I have absolutely no idea. By the way, I created a separate favorites list named 40 East with E-channelizer but although writing to the Edision box went OK according to the program and even a restart of the box was part of the procedure, nothing was changed in the Edision database so that brought no solution either. Nice lists but no access to them via the receiver. In the all channel list of the Edision the many never received Russian channels aren't visible.

Have you tried a factory reset of the receiver? also .62 firmware is now available for the Edison.

 

[paulvr]

Yes, I did both, but to no avail, thank you. Amazon Germany is shipping a replacement. The fact that others mention having no problems in receiving 40 East without the latest software (it just came out) would indicate that a software update isn't the most likely solution, but yes I tried...

 

[Stevenvc19]

Can someone confirm me that the Italian multistream channels on 1253 H & 12700 H still broadcast? I lost signal on the French multistream channels and I adjusted my dish so I got 100% signal quality. But since then I can’t receive the Italian multistream channels, that came available a couple of weeks ago, anymore. The other Italian channels and all other channels are working fine with a good signal strength and almost 100% signal quality. Maybe it is just a coincidence? Or have I lost this signal because of the adjustment on my dish?

 

[william-1]

Can someone confirm me that the Italian multistream channels on 1253 H & 12700 H still broadcast? I lost signal on the French multistream channels and I adjusted my dish so I got 100% signal quality. But since then I can’t receive the Italian multistream channels, that came available a couple of weeks ago, anymore. The other Italian channels and all other channels are working fine with a good signal strength and almost 100% signal quality. Maybe it is just a coincidence? Or have I lost this signal because of the adjustment on my dish?

No signals here on:-

12543 H 34200 8/9
DVB-S2/8PSK
MPEG-2
MPEG-4
ACM/VCM
Multistream

12700 H switched off last week.
DVB-S2/8PSK
MPEG-2
MPEG-4

 

[Stevenvc19]

No signals here on:-

12543 H 34200 8/9
DVB-S2/8PSK
MPEG-2
MPEG-4
ACM/VCM
Multistream

12700 H switched off last week.
DVB-S2/8PSK
MPEG-2
MPEG-4

Thank you very much! I need to add an LNB to 12W so I can watch those channels again

 

[Lazarus]

They've been and gone two or three times in recent weeks.

 

[LateAdopter]

I just tried the new ARTE UHD 19.2E channel on this box, just to see what happens.

It records the stream OK and I can play it back jerkily on my PC with software decoding, so I can see that the video is ARTE UHD.

I assume it would stream over UPNP too, but I don't have anything with a 4k display to watch it on.

 

[william-1]

I just tried the new ARTE UHD 19.2E channel on this box, just to see what happens.

It records the stream OK and I can play it back jerkily on my PC with software decoding, so I can see that the video is ARTE UHD.

I assume it would stream over UPNP too, but I don't have anything with a 4k display to watch it on.

The 2 new ARTE UHD channels are working OK on my Amiko A4K
Currently ARTE UHD-1 & ARTE UHD-2 are showing the same programmes French & German audio available.

 

[LeBelge]

Sorry, that's too difficult!

The tricky bit is getting the right elevation on all 5 LNBs at once.

I do it like that:
http://store.picbg.net/pubpic/82/1D/20e60a68f5c5821d.jpg

 

[Stevenvc19]

Hello,

I would like to know if it is possible to transfer my channel list from an Edision Primo S2 to a Octagon SF4008 or Octagon SX88+?
I think they use the same sort of firmware so maybe someone can confirm if this is possible?
The reason why i'd like to know this is because I am looking to buy an Octagon SF40008 or Octagon SX88+ for some extra tv sets at home. I only want one channel list so I have to update one list and I can transfer this list by USB.
Does anyone has experience with this?