HELP! Can't get digital German Eurosport on Astra 1 19.2E...

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Hi, I'm going nuts trying to get the Free to view (FTV) 'German' Eurosport which is supposed to be at Astra 1H (19.2E), 12226.50H, 27500, 3/4, NID: 1, TID:1091 - TP:91.

My fixed dish is pointing nicely at 19.2E. It is an old dish that used to get analogue sky before they moved from 19.2E. I used it after that on analogue, and got Eurosport (with an English audio feed). My analogue receiver died, so I got a digital Tri-Star HDSR500 receiver from B&Q. I figured I could get the FTV digital german Eurosport. I want it because it does better cycling coverage than Brit Eurosport (which I get with cable).

I have a strong signal, and can get dozens of German/French/Spansih FTV channels. I can get about 10 Europsorts but they are ALL 'scrambled' according to my receiver.

The funny thing is my receiver won't let me manually dial in the 12226 frequency, it 'jumps' to frequencies either side.

On main 'settings screen' has as follows:

LNB power 13/18V
LNB type 09750/10750
Frequency 11281
22kHz On
DiSEqC1.0 None
DiSEqC1.1 None

I can get the 10 scrambled Eurosport channels at:

(HD) 11428V/22000
11677V/27500 (french)
12507H/27500
12278V/22000
12527V/27501 (french)
(HD) 11428V/22000 (spanish?)
11657H/27501
11680V/27500(fench)
(HD)11661H/27500(german)
10899V/22000(spanish)

But I can't get/see the 12226 FTV one....

What am I doing wrong?:confused
 

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Simples ................ you have the wrong LNB setting.

You have 9750/10750 and need instead to select 9750/10600 (Might also be listed as Universal, Universal 1 or similar)

Also, with Universal selected, the 22KHz option should be greyed out as this will be automatically set (It's for Band switching) according to which frequency you are looking at.

As for the TP parameters, you should only need to enter 12226 H 27500 in essence.

BTW, it's Free To Air, not Free To View (FTV commonly means scrambled but not requiring a subscription)
 

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Thanks...

However, when I change to 09750/10750 and do an automatic scan I get pretty much an identical channel listing, with the same 10 frequencies carrying scrambled Eurosport.
I still can't get 12226 H 27500.

When I try a 'manual scan' the machine allows frequency entries .. (around 12226) of 12160 ..12190..12219..12278..12566.

I'm confused now.

So with your setup can you get the digital German Eurosport 12226 H 27500? Is it scambled or unscrambled? If it is scrambled but not requiring a subscription (?) how can you unscramble it?

If it can't be unscrambled are we basically saying that the ONLY way to view Eurosport in the UK is on Cable or Sky digital satellite (i.e. British Eurosport only)?
 

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Eurosport Germany is transmitted free to air. No encryption on it at all Here is a screen grab to show you its there..
 

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No, no. The LNB should be 9750/10600 NOT 9750/10750

And it is transmitted in the clear. No need for unscrambling.
 

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Sorry Tivu - I meant to say 9750/10600. That is what I rescanned on, and still not getting the Digital german Eurosport. Do you think it is something about my receiver?

Also - are the channel numbers pre-allocated, or do the channel numbers just vary depending upon how your receiver box allocates them?
 

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I see no reason at all why your box should be an issue - it has to be "finger trouble".

Try turning 22KHz "off" and see what happemns.

As for Channel numbers, most boxes simply allocate consecutive numbers following on from what the last current entry was.

You can sort Channels in many ways, though, including moving them anywhere in the list.

I run most of my boxes with severely cut down lists (deleting all the dross) and that makes life easier.

PS: As for manual scan, the "allowed" frequencies are simply those Transponders already stored - and often these are out of date.

BUT, you can manually add a TP and just scan that if you wish.

In fact, that may be the best thing to do now - If you enter the TP details for 12226 etc and save, then Scan single TP, you can alternate this with toggling elements of your LNB settings until it bursts into life.

If we were sat in front of your box, I reckon we'd crack it in seconds - but it is somewhat harder doing it from afar.
 

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Try a factory reset, or delete some of the encrypted stuff - its just possible the memory is full.
 

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evertonpaul said:
I can get the 10 scrambled Eurosport channels at:

(HD) 11428V/22000
11677V/27500 (french) - 11567V ?
12507H/27500
12278V/22000
12527V/27501 (french) - 12522V ?
(HD) 11428V/22000 (spanish?) - 11435V ?
11657H/27501
11680V/27500(fench) - 11860V? (actually 11865)
(HD)11661H/27500(german)
10899V/22000(spanish) - 10788V ?

But I can't get/see the 12226 FTV one....

What am I doing wrong?

Those frequencies don't appear in the lists for 19.2E, but some might be close enough to lock. Could the others have been mis-typed?
Maybe you have selected the wrong transponder list.
 

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The above are probably wrong due to

a. Normal tolerances (exact to one MHz is rarely necessary and also SR's are pretty tolerant too), as you suggest

and/or

b. The incorrect LNB LO's used when OP first reported them
 

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Thanks for the advice. I have tried a factory reset. I've repeated a 'blind scan' with 22kHz off and on, to no avail. I think that when I was doing an 'Auto scan' before perhaps the receiver was only looking at (factory) preselected frequencies to save time. I think the blind scan goes through every single frequency and polarisation combination possible, and it takes 4 times as long. However, the blind scans don't get this elusive channel either.

When I go to manual scan and type in 12226 H 27500 I get nothing. There is a horizontal signal strength bar across the bottom of the screen, and at this frequency it is at 0%. It is very strong for the frequencies I can get.

So things I'm wondering now ...

1) is my LNB actually 9750/10600 (that's 'universal', right?) ? I inherited the dish with the house. I've just been up and had a look at the LNB and any ID stickers are long gone. Is it possible I've got a LNB that can't get 12226 H 27500? I can get frequencies either side of that though .....

2) Is German eurosport actually at 12226 H 27500? Although what ever frequency it was at I guess a 'blind scan' should get it ...

3) Is it possible that at my location (Swindon) the frequency in question can't be seen.

4) Is my receiver at fault???
 

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1. It is possible your LNB is faulty, yes. They are cheap as chips, so changing it should be either fruitful or not a waste of money.

2.Parameters are correct.

3. No.

4. Very, very unlikely.


Do you have any "noisy" emitters around eg DECT phone? (Although they normally affect 12480 MHz in High Band: Turn everything in sight OFF)
 

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"I can get frequencies either side .........."

Ah, but can you?

If the LNB is the wrong type, or is faulty, or the Receiver LNB settings are wrong, the reported frequency associated with a lot of the Channels you do get will be wrong.

Correlate a few with the correct listings here _http://www.flysat.com/astra19.php

If there are mismatches, then that would tend to confirm my point.



And it is possible, I suppose, that your inherited dish aligned to 19.2E has an old "Sky Analogue" LNB on it.
 

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Aha ... so now we get to the bottom of it. I must, as you say, have an old "Sky Analogue" LNB on the dish.

There are major mismatches in the channel frequencies listed at the flysat.com website and those listed on my receiver. For example, Montagne TV is at 11251 and 12101 on my box, not 11509... and RT today is at 12131 and 11281 on my box, not 11533.

You can also see now that you are dealing with a complete Sateliite novice!

Some further questions if you'll humour me :)..

I have a new dish with a modern universal LNB that came with the receiver. I planned to point that at 28.2E to get the English satellite TV channels, and leave the old dish pointed at 19.2E.

So possible options.

1) Is it possible to get a dual LNB dish that can get both 19.2E and 28.2E (I guess the difference in angle is quite small)? Or would it be cheaper just to get a new LNB for the old dish pointing at 19.2E and set up the new fixed dish that I have pointing at 28.2E?

2) If I do get a new LNB for the old fixed dish, will the dish size be O.K. for the "new" digital frequencies? It's about 70 cm and worked fine for old analogue stuff on 19.2E.

3) In either set up, is it possible to have a switch/junction box to feed both LNB signals into the same receiver? Can you blend the signals with a simple 'splitter' type device, or do you need an actual A/B switch?

4) Can you tell me a bit about the old "Sky Analogue" LNB? Is it essentially just junk now?


P.S. Please spell out any ACRONYMS in your answer .. I am a novice after all! :D


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1. Yes, that 70cm dish (I assume it is a "mesh" Sky Analogue one .....) can be fitted with a cheap generic multi-lnb bracket that will accommodate the 9 degree spread easily.

2. Yes, size is ample.

3. Yes, you use a DiSEqC switch which is placed outside and takes feeds from each LNB. It requires only a single cable to connect to the Receiver and in the Receiver you simply call one LNB Port A, and the other Port B. Easy and cheap (couple of quid only)

4. Junk, yes!

You're getting the hang of this !!!!

May I suggest you prove (for your own satisfaction) the 19E set-up by fitting the Universal LNB form the spare dish to your 70cm? It should be a 40mm collar fixing on both dishes, so very easily interchanged.
 

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1) Is it possible to get a dual LNB dish that can get both 19.2E and 28.2E (I guess the difference in angle is quite small)? Or would it be cheaper just to get a new LNB for the old dish pointing at 19.2E and set up the new fixed dish that I have pointing at 28.2E?

Yes it is - its certainly possible as a DIY job and you would learn a lot from it. Or you can pay to have some one do the job for you.

Two dishes is also ok.

2) If I do get a new LNB for the old fixed dish, will the dish size be O.K. for the "new" digital frequencies? It's about 70 cm and worked fine for old analogue stuff on 19.2E.

Should be ok.

3) In either set up, is it possible to have a switch/junction box to feed both LNB signals into the same receiver? Can you blend the signals with a simple 'splitter' type device, or do you need an actual A/B switch?

Yes - you can get electronic disecq switches cheaply which will combine up to 4 lnb's into one cable.

4) Can you tell me a bit about the old "Sky Analogue" LNB? Is it essentially just junk now?


If its an old analogue lnb then its junk - and about 15 quid to replace.



You might want to fit quad (4 output) lnbs in case you want to fit pvr's later (digital video recorders)
 

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Ah, the old echo is on song tonight :D
 

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Thanks a lot for the advice.

I realise now that if the old dish will take a multi-LNB bracket then, using the disecq switch, it will be really easy to get the two satellite set up I'm after. Don't have to change or put up a new dish, and can use the old cable. I'll make a trip to my local satellite shop to get the bits... unless you can point to a good on-line retailer.

Just one further question. The old dish is going a bit rusty. Is it OK to paint it with hammerite or something similar. Can (the wrong kind of) paint absorb the electromagnetic radiation at these frequencies, thereby adversely attenuating the reflected signal into the LNB (a bit like RAM for RADAR)? My guess is it should be OK.
 

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If the dish hasn't been moved and it was fine on Eurosport analogue, then it may have a very old 10ghz LNB fitted or perhaps an enhanced 9.750Ghz single band unit. A simple LNB swap out will cure the problem.
 

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evertonpaul said:
Hi, I'm going nuts trying to get the Free to view (FTV) 'German' Eurosport which is supposed to be at Astra 1H (19.2E), 12226.50H, 27500, 3/4, NID: 1, TID:1091 - TP:91.

My fixed dish is pointing nicely at 19.2E. It is an old dish that used to get analogue sky before they moved from 19.2E. I used it after that on analogue, and got Eurosport (with an English audio feed). Etc Etc Etc

Hi Everton Paul. I've followed your thread all the way through because I have a similar setup. Did you eventually get Eurosport digital in 12226 27500 3/4? I've failed utterly after 2 or 3 weeks. I've had my analogue box set up and got analogue Eurosport. I then tried a digital box with the dish unmoved, apart from very small 'nudges' about that position. Zilch! I then moved the dish with the digital box still connected and get the full SKY output, BBC Red Button and all. Done this at 3 different sites around the property, because the neighbour has several large trees a bit close to the lines of sight. Still all zilch! The LNB is defnitely universal, 9.50 and 10.60.

On another thread I found the following: "ANY generic DVB S box can get Eurosport Deutschland". Can any kind soul tell me please what "DVB S" signifies? Do bog standard UK Sky boxes conform to "DVB S"? I am using a Sky issue Pace box Model 440N. Do I need to get a 'B&Q' or other Sky-independent box?

All and any suggestions would be most welcome.

Brianboroo.
 
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