Advice Needed Help needed on fault finding and repairs

[moonbase]

Trev,

The channels listed in your receiver screen grabs suggest that your dish is pointing at 122.0 East (AsiaSat 9). I have pasted a link and a picture below to the Lyngsat page for 122.0 East.

AsiaSat 9 at 122.0°E - LyngSat

www.lyngsat.com

If you check the details in the 2nd picture of your blind scan screen grabs you will see that the frequency and channel details for 4015 H, SR5036 shown by your receiver match up with the Lyngsat details on 122.0 East. The same correspondence also occurrs for the frequncy of 4070 V in the 4th picture of your blind scan screen grabs.

You need to resolve two things, dish aiming and receiver capability, both of which are easily fixed.

1. Get hold of a cheap and more up to date satellite receiver that is HD capable, possibly 4K capable if you have plans to view 4K in the future.
2. Aim the dish another 12 degrees to the East.

Job done, enjoy...

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[Diggertrev]

Trev,

The channels listed in your receiver screen grabs suggest that your dish is pointing at 122.0 East (AsiaSat 9). I have pasted a link and a picture below to the Lyngsat page for 122.0 East.

AsiaSat 9 at 122.0°E - LyngSat

www.lyngsat.com

If you check the details in the 2nd picture of your blind scan screen grabs you will see that the frequency and channel details for 4015 H, SR5036 shown by your receiver match up with the Lyngsat details on 122.0 East. The same correspondence also occurrs for the frequncy of 4070 V in the 4th picture of your blind scan screen grabs.

You need to resolve two things, dish aiming and receiver capability, both of which are easily fixed.

1. Get hold of a cheap and more up to date satellite receiver that is HD capable, possibly 4K capable if you have plans to view 4K in the future.
2. Aim the dish another 12 degrees to the East.

Job done, enjoy...

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Thanks so much, Moonbase.
I think you are absolutely correct.
One thing I would like to know, I thought that the Satelite meter finder I have should be able to pick up the
Apstar 6c Satelite but due to the receiver not being up to date cannot watch the channels.
But even though I have put the frequencies , polarity, and such in for Apstar 6c I just don't seem to be able to find it.
What could I be doing wrong there?
Cheers Trev
I feel success I just can't see it yet

 

[Diggertrev]

Could someone also explain what these two rows mean and were they fit into setting things up ?
Cheers Trev.

 

[Diggertrev]

Trev,

The channels listed in your receiver screen grabs suggest that your dish is pointing at 122.0 East (AsiaSat 9). I have pasted a link and a picture below to the Lyngsat page for 122.0 East.

AsiaSat 9 at 122.0°E - LyngSat

www.lyngsat.com

If you check the details in the 2nd picture of your blind scan screen grabs you will see that the frequency and channel details for 4015 H, SR5036 shown by your receiver match up with the Lyngsat details on 122.0 East. The same correspondence also occurrs for the frequncy of 4070 V in the 4th picture of your blind scan screen grabs.

You need to resolve two things, dish aiming and receiver capability, both of which are easily fixed.

1. Get hold of a cheap and more up to date satellite receiver that is HD capable, possibly 4K capable if you have plans to view 4K in the future.
2. Aim the dish another 12 degrees to the East.

Job done, enjoy...

.View attachment 126886

Would this receiver be good enough to do the upgrading I need to hook onto Apstar 6c and HD?

 

[a33]

But even though I have put the frequencies , polarity, and such in for Apstar 6c I just don't seem to be able to find it.

If you corrected all data in your satfinder (erased frequencies that are no longer active; corrected SR's for some frequencies, and maybe added some 'new' frequencies), maybe your dish isn't following the Clarke Belt (the satellite belt) correctly? So that your dish is aiming too high/too low, when you arrive at 134E.

What I would do:
Now that you seem to be aimed at 122E, first try reception on a C-band satellite near there, so 125E (but I don't know if you are in the sat-beam; but it is what I would try).

Asia & Pacific - LyngSat

www.lyngsat.com

Once you get a signal, check that it is indeed 125E, and then check if quality bar level increases when carefully moving/pushing the dish up or down a bit.
If so, then change axis elevation of your mount setup a bit.
After that, move on to the next C-band satellite, so 128.5E, and do the same. Etc. till you arive at 134E, at the then correct elevation angle.

That'll bring you the 134E I guess.
If it is your intention of using the dish as a motorized dish for multiple satellites in the future, of course this method is not the solution for that. Then all the mount settings are to be checked and adjusted.
That would be a next step for a learning amateur...
(PS please make a note somewhere, if you have to move your dish up or down for finding 134E. It might help future analysis for the needed adjustments.)


Re values in Lyngsat:
For FINDING a transponder, you need to enter the frequency, polarity (H/V), often the symbol rate SR, and sometimes also the FEC-ratio and modulation type xPSK.
All the xxID are channel-IDs inside the transponder, to differentiate between channels for mixing the right picture with the right audio and so.
So the receiver needs those values, but usually it can find/read those values itself.
Google gives more info, if you want.....


I've no suggestion for a receiver. After buying my first receiver new in the shop, I bought all my receivers secondhand.

greetz,
A33

 

[Diggertrev]

If you corrected all data in your satfinder (erased frequencies that are no longer active; corrected SR's for some frequencies, and maybe added some 'new' frequencies), maybe your dish isn't following the Clarke Belt (the satellite belt) correctly? So that your dish is aiming too high/too low, when you arrive at 134E.

What I would do:
Now that you seem to be aimed at 122E, first try reception on a C-band satellite near there, so 125E (but I don't know if you are in the sat-beam; but it is what I would try).

Asia & Pacific - LyngSat

www.lyngsat.com

Once you get a signal, check that it is indeed 125E, and then check if quality bar level increases when carefully moving/pushing the dish up or down a bit.
If so, then change axis elevation of your mount setup a bit.
After that, move on to the next C-band satellite, so 128.5E, and do the same. Etc. till you arive at 134E, at the then correct elevation angle.

That'll bring you the 134E I guess.
If it is your intention of using the dish as a motorized dish for multiple satellites in the future, of course this method is not the solution for that. Then all the mount settings are to be checked and adjusted.
That would be a next step for a learning amateur...
(PS please make a note somewhere, if you have to move your dish up or down for finding 134E. It might help future analysis for the needed adjustments.)


Re values in Lyngsat:
For FINDING a transponder, you need to enter the frequency, polarity (H/V), often the symbol rate SR, and sometimes also the FEC-ratio and modulation type xPSK.
All the xxID are channel-IDs inside the transponder, to differentiate between channels for mixing the right picture with the right audio and so.
So the receiver needs those values, but usually it can find/read those values itself.
Google gives more info, if you want.....


I've no suggestion for a receiver. After buying my first receiver new in the shop, I bought all my receivers secondhand.

greetz,
A33

Thanks, A33.
Slowly but surely things are starting to come into perspective the fog is slowly lifting LOL.
It is a great hobby though and as for finding multiple satellites with my motorized setup I
will be ecstatic just to find the right one, for now, that is for another day when things get sorted LOL
Cheers mate
Trev.

 

[a33]

By the way: how did you adjust the dish aiming till now?
With the positioner and actuator; or with unscrewing some bolts at the mount, and rotating the mount on the pole?

(Should have asked this earlier.... I just assumed with the positioner, but maybe not?)

Greetz,
A33

 

[moonbase]

Would this receiver be good enough to do the upgrading I need to hook onto Apstar 6c and HD?
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Yes, that receiver will be OK

 

[Diggertrev]

By the way: how did you adjust the dish aiming till now?
With the positioner and actuator; or with unscrewing some bolts at the mount, and rotating the mount on the pole?

(Should have asked this earlier... I just assumed with the positioner, but maybe not?)

Greetz,
A33

I used the positioner but then lost all channels and assumed that the pole may have moved or something like that. I have undone and moved everything possible oops.
So that is why I wish to just sneak on it find the Satelite I want and lock it down tight.
Got a bit to enthusiastic should have asked help when I first lost the channels instead of stuffing it up completely first.
Live and learn, by the time I get everything back to normal I will have learnt heaps.
cheers Trev.

 

[Diggertrev]

Yes, that receiver will be OK

Thanks, Moonbase will get onto it ASAP.
cheers Trev.

 

[Diggertrev]

I just want to thank everyone on here for the patients shown for an amateur such as I, I am on another site and my constant questions drove them absolutely batty
Without your help, I would have no hope Cheers Trev.

 

[a33]

So, parallelthread here: Help i am in over my head :)

Are there more parallelthreads about this situation of yours?
It's helpful when you link them here, so that we can see what is already written: info already shared, solution paths that worked, or not, till now.
(In fact, it would be nettiquette if you mention this parallelthread in the austech forum as well.)


In the other thread they said the Strong receiver might be DVB-S2.
So I'd first focus on getting the right satellite, and only then check what your receiver can or cannot show (maybe software update needed?).
(Edit: no updates available, it seems: Older Models )

When you tried to align azimuth with the actuator till now: please continue doing that, with the method I described in #45.
That way you leave the pulsecount of your actuator stable; so that you can find back an earlier satellite position, if needed.

Greetz,
A33

Edit2: Is this like your receiver? It says DVB-S2: STRONG Australia launches new Free to Air Digital Satellite Receiver
and DIGITAL SATELLITE TELEVISION RECEIVER | manualzz.com

 

[Diggertrev]

Back again, I have managed to lock onto Apstar 6c and i have done a blind scan.
I picked up all of the Cambodian channels I want but one.
That channel is Vertical polarity and no vertical channels were picked up by the scan only horizontal It is also MPG4/SD.
, the only Cambodian channel that I can actually see is MPEG-2 /SD whereas all of the other channels I got are Audio-only and are
DVB-S2 MPEG-4/HD
So all channels found are Horizontal polarity and MPEG-2/SD
So do you think my LNB could have lost its vertical polarity, and does it appear that my receiver is not HD And DVB-S2 compatible?
Cheers, Trev.
Move forward never look back

 

[Channel Hopper]

It might be the cable run is causing a loss of voltage at the far end. Try changing the orientation of the LNB manually by 90 degrees and scanning for the missing channel. If still no joy then there is little point in doing much else until you change the receiver.

 

[a33]

About 2 years ago I had a motorized satellite dish installed my wife is Cambodian so I wanted to access as many
free to air stations from there as possible, we had good reception but all of a sudden the channels have dropped out

Did you receive (some of) those no-picture channels before, with your present setup (LNB and receiver)?
If yes, when did you actually receive those channels for the last time? (4052H seems to have had changes, by october 2019. Was it dvb-s, before?)
Which channels are you after, which do you receive? (See also Free TV from Cambodia - LyngSat )

Greetz,
A33

 

[Diggertrev]

We used to get CTN CNC and MY TV with this LNB and receiver, CTN and MY TV now show as HD and we only get Audio we still get CNC
picture and audio it is MPEG-2 /SD , none of them was HD before that is why I was thinking maybe the receiver- I don't think it is HD compatible.

 

[moonbase]

We used to get CTN CNC and MY TV with this LNB and receiver, CTN and MY TV now show as HD and we only get Audio we still get CNC
picture and audio it is MPEG-2 /SD , none of them was HD before that is why I was thinking maybe the receiver- I don't think it is HD compatible.

Trev,

Receivers are cheap enough, as stated in a few replies, try a more recent model of receiver if you can get hold of one (borrow or buy?)

 

[a33]

We used to get CTN CNC and MY TV with this LNB and receiver, CTN and MY TV now show as HD and we only get Audio we still get CNC
picture and audio it is MPEG-2 /SD , none of them was HD before that is why I was thinking maybe the receiver- I don't think it is HD compatible.

So, the internet info on the Strong receiver is ambiguous, and partly deceiving.

All problem-indications point at the receiver now, I would say, so follow Moonbase's advice!
With a new receiver you'll also be able to receive TV3 (3919V), I guess.
(And also CTV8 and PNN; are they in fact cambodian as well, as my link above suggests?)

Glad that you finally got to 134E, again!

greetz,
A33

 

[Diggertrev]

So, the internet info on the Strong receiver is ambiguous, and partly deceiving.

All problem-indications point at the receiver now, I would say, so follow Moonbase's advice!
With a new receiver you'll also be able to receive TV3 (3919V), I guess.
(And also CTV8 and PNN; are they in fact cambodian as well, as my link above suggests?)

Glad that you finally got to 134E, again!

greetz,
A33

Both PNN and CTV8 are Cambodian channels I will get a new receiver probably the newest from strong I think it is this one SRT 4922B+.
And yes very happy to be back on the right satellite what a journey have spent hours on my roof LOL.
Have learnt a lot from you guys thanks again it is very interesting.
One thing I didn't realize was just how much a few millimetres makes, the difference between nothing, a good signal or a great signal.
Lots to learn yet but moving forward.
Cheers Trev

 

[Terryl]

Both PNN and CTV8 are Cambodian channels I will get a new receiver probably the newest from strong I think it is this one SRT 4922B+.
And yes very happy to be back on the right satellite what a journey have spent hours on my roof LOL.
Have learnt a lot from you guys thanks again it is very interesting.
One thing I didn't realize was just how much a few millimetres makes, the difference between nothing, a good signal or a great signal.
Lots to learn yet but moving forward.
Cheers Trev

Yup a millimeter or two can make a big differance, the satellites are in an arc that is 36.210 kilometers up there, moving a few millimeters on the dish can miss the satellite by a few kilometers.