I am trying to program my 16F84A on a classic ludipipo. when i try to program the 16F84loader.hex i get verify error 0000h.and nothing happens to the pic. i used ntpic, icprog and same problem different messages. i tried to slow down the serial port to 1200 baud, the same. last night i searced the internet for a possible solution or at least a reason, i found people suffering the same problem but no solutions. knowing that this is a more literate forum, i thought somebody can help on that. by the way i tried the programs on w98, winXp, win2000 nothing changed. maybe i should go get another programmer, but a lot of people are succesful using ludipipo! question is why?