Moteck motors got really bad quality!

[Likvid]

All i can say that when it's installed and peaked to the arc it's working great, after that, don't touch it til it breaks down, that is the general rule with most products coming from China or Taiwan.

The U-clamps have a tendency to break, Chinese metal that melts.

Change the clamps and install it.

 

[steffan_st]

Oh dear.... just bought a Moteck myself and was planning to install it today then I had a look at this forum and ! 1) I'm not sure is such a bargain after all but above all 2) I'm not sure I can install it with my current config ! (see links below...)

http://www.luciani.plus.com/Pics/Sat_1.JPG
http://www.luciani.plus.com/Pics/Sat_2.JPG


Any help/suggestions would be much appreciated.

Claudio

Just change your wall bracket/mount and the Moteck will serve you well.

 

[makedonas]

@BGonaSTICK

(Shame about the clunky dish mount bracket... maybe that's up for renewal next)

Not only renewal but keeping the elektronics from the Stab, is going to be a new H-H with new mecanical parts (gears and else ) into an oil box...and then another Dish (100-110cm)....it will take some time but I am going to do it.
The 3D CAD drawings are ready but no time for ...doing things.

 

[T_G]

Oh dear.... just bought a Moteck myself and was planning to install it today then I had a look at this forum and ! 1) I'm not sure is such a bargain after all but above all 2) I'm not sure I can install it with my current config ! (see links below...)

http://www.luciani.plus.com/Pics/Sat_1.JPG
http://www.luciani.plus.com/Pics/Sat_2.JPG

Any help/suggestions would be much appreciated.

Claudio

Hi Claudio
I still think the Motek is a good motor, regardless of the clamps (I for one never had problems with it even though I loosened them off several times for changing dish etc. Maybe people are putting too much load on them so they shear...(As a Motorcycle technician who restored lots of old motorcycles maybe I have a feel for dodgy threads? )

And with the wall support, I say just try it out before doing anything. My setup is also supposed to be no good, the pole is too thin and the position too exposed, but still I get it work ok. So, chin up and go for it!

 

[johnsattuk]

Hi Likvid
Interesting thread, I have just put a Moteq motor on my 90cm Fibo dish, working great.
Did you change it to get the advantage of Diseq, that was my reason, I did consider a V box but it's yet another box, more cable and more than the price of a motor.
I used the origional Fibo mounting system, this means that the motor only has to do rotating duties, it does not have to support the dish.
I made an adaptor and sat the motor above the spindle. The Moteq was good for the job because I could take off the angled dish mount, leaving me with a nice stubby spindle to use.
A bit subjective, but I think it is a little quieter than the Fibo motor and certainly no slower. I am considering un-riveting the dish from it's diecast frame and glueing it back on with windscreen adhesive, to deaden the noise, I feel that the dish acts like a loudspeaker horn. I am also looking at ways to counter-balance the dish in its off centre positions, which would reduce motor loading and noise.
So far I am very pleased at the results and I may put one on my 120cm dish, although I don't really use it enough to bother.
As a side result I do have spare Fibo motors if anybody is stuck.

John

 

[Claudio]

Hi, T_G/steffan_st/Likvid thanks for your quick replies/feedback. Sounds like I'll better leave the installation to a proper technician. Does anyone know a good one (possibly not too expensive...

) around SW17 in London ? (don't trust the one I know...

). Thanks Claudio

 

[T_G]

Hi, T_G/steffan_st/Likvid thanks for your quick replies/feedback. Sounds like I'll better leave the installation to a proper technician. Does anyone know a good one (possibly not too expensive...

) around SW17 in London ? (don't trust the one I know...

). Thanks Claudio

Listen, if reaching the motor and the mount is not life threatening dangerous why don't you try playing with it first? You can always give up later and get someone who will take of those hard earned £££

As long as you don't use force you can't do much damage, Even I managed to get the motor working, there are a lot of threads here with explenations on how to do it and what is important to de/remember whilst doing it.

 

[Likvid]

The clamps will sheer of one way or another, it's better to lay the responsibility on the installer as he will get new clamps.

What is the chance they sheer off for him as well? 99.9%

 

[steffan_st]

Hi Likvid
Interesting thread, I have just put a Moteq motor on my 90cm Fibo dish, working great.
Did you change it to get the advantage of Diseq, that was my reason, I did consider a V box but it's yet another box, more cable and more than the price of a motor.
I used the origional Fibo mounting system, this means that the motor only has to do rotating duties, it does not have to support the dish.
I made an adaptor and sat the motor above the spindle. The Moteq was good for the job because I could take off the angled dish mount, leaving me with a nice stubby spindle to use.
A bit subjective, but I think it is a little quieter than the Fibo motor and certainly no slower. I am considering un-riveting the dish from it's diecast frame and glueing it back on with windscreen adhesive, to deaden the noise, I feel that the dish acts like a loudspeaker horn. I am also looking at ways to counter-balance the dish in its off centre positions, which would reduce motor loading and noise.
So far I am very pleased at the results and I may put one on my 120cm dish, although I don't really use it enough to bother.
As a side result I do have spare Fibo motors if anybody is stuck.

John

This sounds interesting,can you post a couple of pics of the Fibo+Moteck?

 

[johnsattuk]

This sounds interesting,can you post a couple of pics of the Fibo+Moteck?

Weather permitting I will take some pics tomorrow and see if I can work out how to post them.
It is on a ground pole at the moment, while I am modding/playing with it, so is quite accessable

 

[johnsattuk]

Weather permitting I will take some pics tomorrow and see if I can work out how to post them.
It is on a ground pole at the moment, while I am modding/playing with it, so is quite accessable

Photos as promised, short pause in rain

 

[steffan_st]

Photos as promised, short pause in rain

Nice piece of work Mr.homebrewer!

 

[rolfw]

Very nice job John, do you mind if I add your posts to the Pictures of members' Systems section? I think that it would make a nice illustration for others with knackered Fibo motors.

Perhaps you ought to think about marketing your conversion kit.

 

[johnsattuk]

Very nice job John, do you mind if I add your posts to the Pictures of members' Systems section? I think that it would make a nice illustration for others with knackered Fibo motors.

Perhaps you ought to think about marketing your conversion kit.

Hi
No objections about adding the pics, and quite willing to help anybody if I can with more pics etc. My next step is to counter-balance the dish, probably with a spring.
As a result of the mods I do now have spare Fibo motors if anybody requires.

 

[Missey]

How I fixed mine was to insert a piece of 1/4" aluminum in side the Bracket.(you could 3/16"steel). Throw the u-bolts a way that come with it and use grade 3 or 5 bolts. ( I happened to have some 5/16" threaded rod on hand, did the job )The material the bracket is made from is so soft it will bend and flex before you get it tight on your mounting pole.I mounted a 39" steel dish and when I lifted up and down on the dish arm lightly I could see the bracket flex.When you tighten the motor and bracket use a level a crossed the top of the bracket because it will tighten up on the mounting pole on an angle if you are not careful.

 

[Likvid]

Yes the bracket flex, you notice this very much when you have a pipe diameter of 60mm as i do, then you can see while you tighten the bolts on the clamps that the metal in the bracket weakens.

The metals used is among the worst i ever seen in a product.

I wish i could try out the STAB motor and do a comparison but i don't see any reason to throw out cash right now when the Moteck works perfectly fine.

I have to wait til it breaks down, then it will be a STAB HH120 for sure.

 

[gilleroo]

Likvid I had a manhatten?Stab 120, moving a 1 meter dish, for over a year which popped its clogs recently and it was replaced without question by Eurosat for a new Manhatten Alu 140 which has an excellent build quality. Made in Europe and works perfectly.So full marks to Eurosat for great service so I can recomend the Manhatten brand.I note that new motors have only one years warrenty now.

 

[don'tknowdon'taskme]

the thing is the Chinese can make the product so cheap because of the cheap labour and materials. companys can buy the product with shipping and tax cheaper than an english company can buy the raw materials for no wonder we buy cheap shitty Chinese crap.

 

[techmob]

Much much better now when i changed the clamps and bolts all over, it's like a another thing now, pretty stable and solid.

I really recommend you people to change the clamps and put wingnuts on, it is like day and night.

so glad i found this thread, interesting read and i have not yet finished reading it, but i would like to comment now regarding an exact same problem as yourself and i guess many other people

i have the superjack dg120 , it is near identical as the moteck 2100 inclduding the crap metal u bolt... both of my square u bolts are nackerd, one is snapped as the nut locked up on it when i tried to undo it, and the other is just goosed to!

so i currently have my dish and motor down, until i find a solution to this problem,i am looking for replacment u bolts but no where does them and the manufactorer isn't responding to my emails..

i have bought some high tensity rod, which i can cut into 4x 5" pieces and 12 nuts which will allow me to fix the bolted thread via a nut on the inside of the housing and a nut on the outside of the housing thus stopping it from moving.. will this be strong enough to support this motor and an 80 cm dish,only thing is it doesn't have the square u part of the bolt that slots through the motor housing, does this provide any needed strength to the setup or will the above way i have mentioned work fine for me?

ideally i would like the exact square u bolt type but obviously better quality, but i shall read on through this topic and hopefully someone can give me an answer

thanks guys!

 

[rolfw]

The cross piece does provide little extra support, but I managed to fix one with four long coach bolts, filed off one side of the head so that it locked against the bracket corner and it worked fine.

If in doubt, then use a couple of drilled steel plates to match the holes and provide some extra rigidity, similar to what Likvid has done wit a single plate.