Motorised dish problems

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Boydy

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You have to assign a different number, to each satellite, and match the corresponding number when using the positioner setup option.
Make sure to write a list, of the satellites, and corresponding numbers.
Ok so I've assigned 01 in positioner setup and set thas an index on the tuner. Currently now tuning 28.2.

So the 01 has to correspond to the same index at the tuner, right?

Thanks mate - I've learned some stuff here. As simple as it may seem.
 
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If you have Astra 2, 28.2E, set as 001, in the tuner menu, you set the positioner menu the same, so when you peak the signal, on 28.2E, you store the position as 001.
You can then move to Astra 3, 23.5E, set this as 002, move your dish, in the positioner setup menu, peak the signal, and store this at 002, then so on.
 
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If you have Astra 2, 28.2E, set as 001, in the tuner menu, you set the positioner menu the same, so when you peak the signal, on 28.2E, you store the position as 001.
You can then move to Astra 3, 23.5E, set this as 002, move your dish, in the positioner setup menu, peak the signal, and store this at 002, then so on.
Thanks mate. Appreciate your help here.
 
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a33

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Tbh my guesstimates on the positioned are purely visual in that it doesn't appear to move when I send to 0 or 0.8W. I've read 0.8W is considered 0 for where I am. I may be incorrect on that.
When you are at Long - 6.693, then 6.693W is your zero. I don't know where you've read what you've read, but that would be totally wrong.

If you have done Goto 0-West (as a Goto-X-command) and have done a motor reset there, your soft-zero (used by USALS) is now 6.4 degrees off, probably.
But if you have done a Goto-0 or Goto-Ref and have done a motor reset there, maybe your zero is still at zero.


But be carefull if you do a motor reset in the near future, as it will also reset all stored diseqc 1.2 Goto-NN positions! And that seems the way you want to solve your problems ATM...?

Greetz,
A33
 
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Boydy

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When you are at Long - 6.693, then 6.693W is your zero. I don't know where you've read what you've read, but that would be totally wrong.

If you have done Goto 0-West (as a Goto-X-command) and have done a motor reset there, your soft-zero (used by USALS) is now 6.4 degrees off, probably.
But if you have done a Goto-0 or Goto-Ref and have done a motor reset there, maybe your zero is still at zero.


But be carefull if you do a motor reset in the near future, as it will also reset all stored diseqc 1.2 Goto-NN positions! And that seems the way you want to solve your problems ATM...?

Greetz,
A33
Hey thanks for the feedback.

Earlier I was tuning with Disecq 1.2. Had about 6 sats come in. Did the storing blah blah. All sats were in the east.

Moved to do 0.8 and 30 W and couldn't get them. Checked back to my installed sats and inevitably they were gone.

Seriously considering packing this in. It's making me really angry now.
 
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Boydy

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Hey thanks for the feedback.

Earlier I was tuning with Disecq 1.2. Had about 6 sats come in. Did the storing blah blah. All sats were in the east.

Moved to do 0.8 and 30 W and couldn't get them. Checked back to my installed sats and inevitably they were gone.

Seriously considering packing this in. It's making me really angry now.
Seems I've messed around so much now there is an issue with no power getting to the motor. Green light is off. I'm going to disconnect everything and reconnect in the morning.
 
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If you're losing satellites. after manually storing them, either something is wrong with your receiver, not storing the positions correctly, your motor, not counting correctly, or loose, so that the motor is slipping, or your dish/cable.

You have two receivers, and it's unlikely to be both receivers, so I'd check the connections, cable, and motor.
 
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Seems I've messed around so much now there is an issue with no power getting to the motor. Green light is off. I'm going to disconnect everything and reconnect in the morning.
Best if you go back to square one. Check connections, make sure pole is upright, motor is set to zero and is showing zero on the motor. put in your lat/lon position and use Thor 5 @ 0.7 west. Sky News Int 12418 V 28000 in positioner setup. It should be there within a few moves west. If you are unable to find it would mean your declination angle is out and it is usually is only takes a minute tilt back or forwards on the dish which can be very fiddly.
 
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Boydy

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Best if you go back to square one. Check connections, make sure pole is upright, motor is set to zero and is showing zero on the motor. put in your lat/lon position and use Thor 5 @ 0.7 west. Sky News Int 12418 V 28000 in positioner setup. It should be there within a few moves west. If you are unable to find it would mean your declination angle is out and it is usually is only takes a minute tilt back or forwards on the dish which can be very fiddly.
Thanks guys. I'll look into your suggestions.

What a way to spend a week off work. :/
 
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Boydy

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Thanks guys. I'll look into your suggestions.

What a way to spend a week off work. :/
Still no power getting to the motor it seems. No lights on. I just checked and I only took delivery of this motor on January 20th - surely it's not hosed?

:(
 
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Check you may not have inadvertently turned off the voltage supply in the receiver menu.

Second thing would be a short in one of the f-plugs, either end of course (plus you will have two runs)

I am not sure if a short in the LNB cable would stop the receiver from providing an output to the motor but you could try disconnecting the cable at the boom arm

If there is no voltage out of the f-plug, you do have a second receiver you can plug in
 
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Boydy

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Check you may not have inadvertently turned off the voltage supply in the receiver menu.

Second thing would be a short in one of the f-plugs, either end of course (plus you will have two runs)

I am not sure if a short in the LNB cable would stop the receiver from providing an output to the motor but you could try disconnecting the cable at the boom arm

If there is no voltage out of the f-plug, you do have a second receiver you can plug in
I reset the box and the power has come back. I know I'd definitely changed the increased voltage motor setting to yes on the receiver.

Thank you, mate.
 
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a33

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I reset the box and the power has come back.
So maybe the receiver went into protective mode, due to a probable shortage while screwing off/on cables? Some receivers do require to do a complete power off, and power on, then.

Earlier I was tuning with Disecq 1.2. Had about 6 sats come in. Did the storing blah blah. All sats were in the east.
Moved to do 0.8 and 30 W and couldn't get them. Checked back to my installed sats and inevitably they were gone.
So, did you do this 'in one run', so without powering off or anything? ~ checking if there might be a storage problem cause inbetween.

Did you, after not being able to find the east satellites again, do a Goto-0 or Goto-Ref, and then try the east satellites again? Otherwise please try that. ~ checking if that would help: if storage is OK, but motor has 'lost' its actual position.

Did you finetune sat-positions before storing (using MoveLeft and MoveRight commands)?

Greetz,
A33
 
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Boydy

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So maybe the receiver went into protective mode, due to a probable shortage while screwing off/on cables? Some receivers do require to do a complete power off, and power on, then.


So, did you do this 'in one run', so without powering off or anything? ~ checking if there might be a storage problem cause inbetween.

Did you, after not being able to find the east satellites again, do a Goto-0 or Goto-Ref, and then try the east satellites again? Otherwise please try that. ~ checking if that would help: if storage is OK, but motor has 'lost' its actual position.

Did you finetune sat-positions before storing (using MoveLeft and MoveRight commands)?

Greetz,
A33
Hi A33

Yeah I did it all in 1 run. I did try the go to ref and then try and bring the east sats in again but to no avail.

I'm starting to think it's a receiver issue. My VU Zero is 4 years old and my Mutant is 3 years old - but I'm struggling to see how both could be having trouble at the same time.

Currently neither are giving power to the motor so I have an old Skybox F5 lying about that I plugged in and there we have its power going to the motor.

Does that prove that my linux boxes are goosed?

Would an image refresh give them a kick up the arse? Currently using the latest OpenVix on both but might change to OpenPli to see if it helps.

Any suggestions or ideas are seriously valued.
 
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Start from scratch. Re flash the zero, do not reinstall any backups or settings. Set tuner for simple and choose 3 satellites with lat/lon settings done.
 
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Start from scratch. Re flash the zero, do not reinstall any backups or settings. Set tuner for simple and choose 3 satellites with lat/lon settings done.
Thanks, mate. Do you recommend any specific image?
 
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Openvix has always worked fine for me and in some ways its what you get used too.
 
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Openvix has always worked fine for me and in some ways its what you get used too.
Mate this has worked! Although I flashed with OpenPli.

I can't thank you guys enough. I hope the sats persist and the box doesn't lose the settings.

I've told everyone in my house to stop what they're doing and don't move

Nice work, lads. Made up I joined the forum now.

Kudos to all.
 
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