Motorised problems

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Hi all I have not been on here much but I wonder if you could help me. I set myself up a motorised sat system a few years ago but I dont think I have got it quite right ever since I set it up. I wonder for starters someone could tell me if this is right for Hertford Herts SG14 area. Long 000.092 West, Lat 051.793 North.

I am picking up 45East just but I have to nudge the motor west a little bit to get a better signal.
I am picking up 22West just.
I am not picking up 7.3 West nor am I picking up 26East.

My set up is a 1m dish with a TM800HD reciever (i know they are not the best reciever buit it works for me).

The pole is dead plumb I used to get 30W but the strong winds did move it a while ago and I thought I put it back right. I have just uploaded a new satellite and channel list and done a complete scan but still can not get 30 west and the others. I do have trees behind my house but they have not interfered with it to much 0.8 west on BBC World News is 77% and no break up on an overcast rainy day (today).

Any help would be much appreciated.

Thanks Michael
 

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Check these critical settings:-
The dish is mounted dead central on the motor spigot,

Your motor elevation is set for your location (use as a guide only) & maximum signal was achieved on your reference satellite by altering the the dish declination & USALS settings of Longitude & Latitude then check out the Lnb position in the Lnb holder is giving you the best possible signal by moving the Lnb fully forward & back to achieve this whilst viewing a signal meter,

As the scales for the motor elevation & dish declination are just a guide & not an accurate measuring scale so with the Longitude & Latitude can be altered slightly to improve your dishes ability to track the arc more accurately as with all guides you may find a slight variation on my finding will enable you to track the arc more accurately,

To improve your motor's capability to track the Clarke Belt / Geostationary Satellite's on the Arc make sure that the Motor has been clamped in the correct central position to make tracking the arc accurately possible,

Try this to find out if your dish is set up correctly:-
Go to 30 west or the furthest West your dish will travel now while viewing a signal meter lightly flex the dish back at the top if the signal goes up or down make a note of this now do the same with the bottom of the dish & make a note of what happens,
Now go to 36 east or the furthest East your dish can travel & flex the dish as above,

If your findings are that the signal gets better on the East satellites when the dish was flexed back & the signal gets better on the West satellites when the dish was flexed forward then the motor is fixed to the wrong place on the mast to correct this change your USALS @ your reference satellite from say 0.07 Longitude to 0.4 Longitude now slacken off the motor fixing bolts & move the motor a few mm either way to achieve maximum signal,

Now check you East & West satellites again for maximum signal if it is better then tighten up your Motor at the new position if not then change your USALS to 0.0 Longitude now slacken off the motor fixing bolts & move the motor a few mm either way to achieve maximum signal,
Then check your East & West Satellites again for maximum signal.

Once you have established that you are tracking the Arc more accurately you can fine tune your dish / motor set up by changing USALS by 0.3 to 0.6 from your current best setting then slacken off the motor fixing bolts & move the motor a few mm either way to achieve maximum signal.

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Thanks William for the info. I will have a look when I get 5 mins and it is not raining.
 

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You need to check the strongest transponders, on 26E, and 7.3W, try 11996 H 27500, on 26E, and 11227 V 27500, on 7.3W.
If the wind moved your dish, and motor, then it could be slightly out, try using the manual option, in your receiver, to move it East/West, to maximise the signal quality readings.
It would also help if you could post some channels, and their signal quality readings, from other satellites, 0.8W, 5E, 7E, 9E, 10E, 13E, 16E, 19.2E, 23.5E, 28.2E, 39E, 42E, then some of the West satellites, to get a clear picture of how your dish is tracking the arc.
 

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Hi Mickha I will try and have a look later as I am juggling looking after my 9 month old son at the same time thanks.
 

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Hi all I have had a quick look yesterday at the reciever end and this is the signal quality I am getting as of 2.00pm yesterday

Intelsat-12 @ 45 east 11523 V 5787 Prima tv 67% or 72% if nudged west
TurkSat 4A @ 42 east 12034 V 27500 TV 8 Int 67% or 72% if nudged west
Hellas Sat-2 @ 39 east 12524 H 30000 The Voice 71% if nudged west
Eutelsat 36B @ 36 east 12572 V 1785 Al_Etejah tv Not getting anything
Eutelsat 33B @ 33.2 east 12722 V 16728 S2 Polsat Sport $ Not getting anything
Eutelsat 28A @ 28.5 east 11260 V 27500 Africa Channel 74%
Astra 2F @ 28.2 east 10964 H 22000 Channel 5 87%
Badr-4 @ 26 east 12130 V 27500 Dubai One Can not find but have Sky news Arabia 77%
Astra 3B @ 23.5 east 12168 V 27500 Ocko TV 74%
Eutelsat 21B @ 21.6 east 11680 H 2963 Alalam News Channel 68%
Astra 1KR @ 19.2 east 11229 V 22000 S2 BBC World News HD 88%
Eutelsat 16A @ 16 east 11636 H 30000 S2 TV Sljeme = Z1 Can not find but have TV Slo 1 69%
HotBird 13D @ 13 east 11137 H 27500 Bloomberg Europe 83%
Eutelsat 10A @ 10 east 11547 H 1500 S2 Thaqalayn TV Can not find
Eutelsat 9A @ 9 east 12054 H 27500 S2 Real Madrid TV 88%
Eutelsat 7A @ 7 east 11221 H 27500 RTS 1 Senegal 81%
Astra 4A @ 4.8 east 11766 H 27500 TET 83%
Eutelsat 3B @ 3.1 east 11489 H 2222 Karbala Satellite Channel 76%
Thor-6 @ 0.8 west 12418 V 28000 Al Jazeera English 84%
Intelsat 10-02 @ 1 west 12562 V 27500 Speranta TV Can not find
Amos-2 @ 4 west 10759 H 30000 News 24 Can not find
Eutelsat 5WestA @ 5 west 11591 V 20000 France 2 89%
Eutelsat 7WestA @ 7.3 west 11430 V 27500 Palestine live 68%
Eutelsat 8WestA @ 8 west 12533 H 5000 Mediasat feed $ 84%
Express AM44 @ 11 west 11565 H 8000 S2 Rete Capri 85%
Eutelsat 12WestA @ 12.5 west 11407 V 27500 KTO 84%
Telstar 12 @ 15 west 10996 V 2895 Zagros TV 81%
Intelsat 901 @ 18 west 11606 H 12000 (Data Stream) Can not find
SES-4 @ 22 west 11128 H 14300 S2 Reuters tv 82%
Intelsat 905 @ 24.5 west 11513 H 27500 TV Record Can not find
Intelsat 907 @ 27.5 west 11495 V 44100 S2 BBC News $ Can not find
Hispasat 1E @ 30 west 12092 V 27500 Cubavision Can not find
Intelsat 903 @ 34.5 west 11028 V 5000 DVB-S2 (Data Stream) Can not find
Telstar 11N @ 37.5 west 11687 V 2222(Data Stream) Can not find
Intelsat 14 @ 45 west 11608 H 1852 RASD tv Can not find

As you can see I do recieve a lot of the satellites but not all and not all the channels ie, 26 east I only have that one channel. Some need nudging west to bring the % up. Do you think my Long and Lat positions are correct for where I live. Long 000.092 West, Lat 051.793 North My postcode is sg14 2at. This is what I want to make sure of before I get up the ladder and start messing around with the dish.

Kind Regards
Michael
 

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Your longitude seems right, but as you can increase the signal quality, by moving your dish, then perhaps your dish has moved slightly.
Your readings seem to demonstrate that your dish seems to be tracking the satellite arc but you're experiencing problems on the far west satellites.
Have you checked to see if there are any trees, or buildings, disrupting the Westerly satellites?
Try a lower frequency, on 30W, 11731 V 27500 or 11771 V 27500, and try 11626 H 13500 on 24.5W.
 

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Signal readings can vary from receiver to receiver but your set up is not on the centre of your arc for some reason here are my readings on my 88cm dish

Strongest TV Transponders 20th May 2015 (conditions cloudy light rain)

78 x 88cm dish + Inverto 0.2 Black Ultra + TM6902HD as received in the East of England,
This guide is for setting up either a fixed or Motorised dish system for all active satellites
53 east to 45 west
DVB-S unless stated, $ = encrypted

88cm Quality reading
59% Express AM-22 @ 53 east 10957 V 4800
0% Intelsat-10 @ 47.5 east 11660 V 1480 OTV Lebanon
72% AzerSpace-1 @ 46 east 10998 V 3570 Kultura Ukraine
85% Intelsat-12 @ 45 east 11523 V 5787 Prima tv
85% TurkSat 4A @ 42 east 12034 V 27500 TV 8 Int
74% Hellas Sat-2 @ 39 east 12524 H 30000 The Voice
73% Eutelsat 36B @ 36 east 12572 V 1785 Al_Etejah tv
64% Eutelsat 33B @ 33.2 east 12722 V 16728 S2 Polsat Sport $
68% Eutelsat 28A @ 28.5 east 11260 V 27500 Africa Channel
92% Astra 2F @ 28.2 east 10964 H 22000 Channel 5
55% Badr-4 @ 26 east 12130 V 27500 Dubai One
85% Astra 3B @ 23.5 east 12168 V 27500 Ocko TV
47% Eutelsat 21B @ 21.6 east 11680 H 2963 Alalam News Channel
87% Astra 1KR @ 19.2 east 11229 V 22000 S2 BBC World News HD
81% Eutelsat 16A @ 16 east 11636 H 30000 S2 TV Sljeme = Z1
83% HotBird 13D @ 13 east 11137 H 27500 Bloomberg Europe
75% Eutelsat 10A @ 10 east 11547 H 1500 S2 Thaqalayn TV
83% Eutelsat 9A @ 9 east 12054 H 27500 S2 Real Madrid TV
78% Eutelsat 7A @ 7 east 11221 H 27500 RTS 1 Senegal
79% Astra 4A @ 4.8 east 11766 H 27500 TET
71% Eutelsat 3B @ 3.1 east 11489 H 2222 Karbala Satellite Channel

82% Thor-6 @ 0.8 west 12418 V 28000 Al Jazeera English
69% Intelsat 10-02 @ 1 west 12562 V 27500 Speranta TV
49% Amos-2 @ 4 west 10759 H 30000 News 24
83% Eutelsat 5WestA @ 5 west 11591 V 20000 France 2
56% Eutelsat 7WestA @ 7.3 west 11430 V 27500 Palestine live
77% Eutelsat 8WestA @ 8 west 12533 H 5000 Mediasat feed $
73% Express AM44 @ 11 west 11565 H 8000 S2 Rete Capri
82% Eutelsat 12WestA @ 12.5 west 11407 V 27500 KTO
74% Telstar 12 @ 15 west 10996 V 2895 Zagros TV
78% Intelsat 901 @ 18 west 11606 H 12000 (Data Stream)
66% SES-4 @ 22 west 11128 H 14300 S2 Reuters tv
71% Intelsat 905 @ 24.5 west 11513 H 27500 TV Record
80% Intelsat 907 @ 27.5 west 11495 V 44100 S2 BBC News $
86% Hispasat 1E @ 30 west 12092 V 27500 Cubavision
87% Intelsat 903 @ 34.5 west 11028 V 5000 DVB-S2 (Data Stream)
55% Telstar 11N @ 37.5 west 11687 V 2222(Data Stream)
55% Intelsat 14 @ 45 west 11608 H 1852 RASD tv
Some feeds & data streams + other satellites may be stronger at certain times,
compiled by William-1
 

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Strongest TV Transponders 20th May 2015 (conditions cloudy light rain)
78 x 88cm dish + Inverto 0.2 Black Ultra + TM6902HD as received in the East of England,
95 x 104 cm dish + Inverto 0.2 Black Ultra + TM6902HD as received in the East of England,
This guide is for setting up either a fixed or Motorised dish system for all active satellites
53 east to 45 wes= 88cm..............47.5 east to 45 west=100cm dish
DVB-S unless stated, $ = encrypted
88cm Quality reading===================================104cm dish Quality readings
59% Express AM-22 @ 53 east 10957 V 4800======================xxx
0% Intelsat-10 @ 47.5 east 11660 V 1480 OTV Lebanon =============68%
72% AzerSpace-1 @ 46 east 10998 V 3570 Kultura Ukraine==========78%
85% Intelsat-12 @ 45 east 11523 V 5787 Prima tv==================85%
85% TurkSat 4A @ 42 east 12034 V 27500 TV 8 Int==================85%
74% Hellas Sat-2 @ 39 east 12524 H 30000 The Voice===============78%
73% Eutelsat 36B @ 36 east 12572 V 1785 Al_Etejah tv==============76%
64% Eutelsat 33B @ 33.2 east 12722 V 16728 S2 Polsat Sport $========71%
68% Eutelsat 28A @ 28.5 east 11260 V 27500 Africa Channel==========66%
92% Astra 2F @ 28.2 east 10964 H 22000 Channel 5==================90%
55% Badr-4 @ 26 east 12130 V 27500 Dubai One====================67%
85% Astra 3B @ 23.5 east 12168 V 27500 Ocko TV===================86%
47% Eutelsat 21B @ 21.6 east 11680 H 2963 Alalam News Channel=====54%
87% Astra 1KR @ 19.2 east 11229 V 22000 S2 BBC World News HD=====86%
81% Eutelsat 16A @ 16 east 11636 H 30000 S2 TV Sljeme = Z1=========82%
83% HotBird 13D @ 13 east 11137 H 27500 Bloomberg Europe=========83%
75% Eutelsat 10A @ 10 east 11547 H 1500 S2 Thaqalayn TV============79%
83% Eutelsat 9A @ 9 east 12054 H 27500 S2 Real Madrid TV============85%
78% Eutelsat 7A @ 7 east 11221 H 27500 RTS 1 Senegal================79%
79% Astra 4A @ 4.8 east 11766 H 27500 TET==========================82%
71% Eutelsat 3B @ 3.1 east 11489 H 2222 Karbala Satellite Channel======73%

82% Thor-6 @ 0.8 west 12418 V 28000 Al Jazeera English===============85%
69% Intelsat 10-02 @ 1 west 12562 V 27500 Speranta TV===============74%
49% Amos-2 @ 4 west 10759 H 30000 News 24 =======================60%
83% Eutelsat 5WestA @ 5 west 11591 V 20000 France 2================87%
56% Eutelsat 7WestA @ 7.3 west 11430 V 27500 Palestine live==========62%
77% Eutelsat 8WestA @ 8 west 12533 H 5000 Mediasat feed $===========77%
73% Express AM44 @ 11 west 11565 H 8000 S2 Rete Capri===============77%
82% Eutelsat 12WestA @ 12.5 west 11407 V 27500 KTO=================84%
74% Telstar 12 @ 15 west 10996 V 2895 Zagros TV======================81%
78% Intelsat 901 @ 18 west 11606 H 12000 (Data Stream)================81%
66% SES-4 @ 22 west 11128 H 14300 S2 Reuters tv======================72%
71% Intelsat 905 @ 24.5 west 11513 H 27500 TV Record==================77%
80% Intelsat 907 @ 27.5 west 11495 V 44100 S2 BBC News $==============83%
86% Hispasat 1E @ 30 west 12092 V 27500 Cubavision===================88%
87% Intelsat 903 @ 34.5 west 11028 V 5000 DVB-S2 (Data Stream)=========90%
55% Telstar 11N @ 37.5 west 11687 V 2222(Data Stream)=================67%
55% Intelsat 14 @ 45 west 11608 H 1852 RASD tv========================64%
Some feeds & data streams + other satellites may be stronger at certain times,
compiled by William-1
 

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Sun has come out & the skies have cleared :)

88cm dish Intelsat-10 @ 47.5 east 11660 V 1480 OTV Lebanon = 68%
 

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Okay thanks William-1 and Mickha. I will try and have a look at the dish end at some point in the next week or so as I have got a lot of work on at the moment and I will report back thank you for your help so far. Michael
 

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Hi all, I have managed to get 5 min's last week and had a play with dish. I am now receiving 46E, 45E, 42E, 39E, 36E, 33E, 28.2E, 26E (ONLY A FEW CHANNELS), 23.5E, 21.5E, 19.2E, 16E, 13E, 10E, 9E, 7E, 4.9E, 3.1E. 0.8W, 4W, 5W, 7.3W, 8W, 11W, 12.5W, 15W, 22W, 24.5W. Almost all satellites with 85-90% quality. I still can not get 30W I think that is because the trees in the nature reserve behind my house have grown. I will have to look again once the leaves have fallen from the trees. Thanks for all the advice given in previous posts much appreciated. Kind Regards Michael
 
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