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Message: <blockquote data-quote="eme" data-source="post: 5116">yes i have delt with marketing people, i do have a patent pending, i have been in design and development 4 sometime and the onething i learned a long time ago, if there is a problem then if will be found and be found by the peple that moan the most.when the moaners start to moan then people start to walk away from product.Like some of the dealers in the early days of the ad3000.It does really get my goat when people buy a product and the product has not been test properly, half the faults that have been on echostar machines should never have been there in the first place.If product I designed had gone out the door like that I would have got shot.</blockquote>