Reception problems in S Spain Ch4 E4 m&m ITV

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petert74 said:
We all have to standard 1.3m dish here
What is a standard dish? What make is it? Is it prime focus or offset?

petert74 said:
Can you confirm that these dont break up in the evening like most others.
Signal level/quality is due to a chain of things (dish size/quality, feedhorn, LNB, cable, receiver sensitivity, noise floor,etc). Just having the "best" LNB is not going to guarantee anything.
 

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petert74 said:
Can you confirm that these dont break up in the evening like most others.

Which particular model LNB can you reconmend??

Are you current using an Inverto on your system or know someone who is???

yeah i can confirm that if you use a good dish good lnb and good sensetive receiver you can get optimum results:p,every situation is different so you have to try in yours ,going thru the board you will find many experiences with many reports on what equipement are used in fringe areas ..regards
 

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Huevos said:
What is a standard dish? What make is it? Is it prime focus or offset?

Signal level/quality is due to a chain of things (dish size/quality, feedhorn, LNB, cable, receiver sensitivity, noise floor,etc). Just having the "best" LNB is not going to guarantee anything.


On the Costa del sol and near Gibraltar the installers use the same 1.3metre dish and televes single LNB. It is the "standard" in this part of Spain. I believe its also the minimum possible to get BBC etc.
 

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On the Costa del sol and near Gibraltar the installers use the same 1.3metre dish and televes single LNB. It is the "standard" in this part of Spain. I believe its also the minimum possible to get BBC etc.
Ok, so everyone on the Costa del Sol has a 1.3m dish and they all lose signal at night with that equipment. You want to know if changing the LNB will cure the problem. I'd say no. If everyone with this size dish has the same problem then the "standard dish" is too small.
 

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There's no 1.3m dish made by any manufacturer. The international standard is to measure an offset dish by the horizontal dimension. These dishes are 1.2 metres wide.

It's also not true that you can't get better reception, the Televés standard LNB is far from the best. An Invacom quad C120 with a CM feedhorn will perform far better, but people in this region are generally too tight to pay the extra.
Installers in this area always say they have put in the best available but they never mention that there is better kit to be had. They use Famaval dishes because they are cheap, not beacuse they are good. Some in this area use Gibertini 1.2m, which are higher quality.
 

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petert74 said:
On the Costa del sol and near Gibraltar the installers use the same 1.3metre dish and televes single LNB. It is the "standard" in this part of Spain. I believe its also the minimum possible to get BBC etc.

I am in the CDS and I use a 1.3 meter dish(I was told and I don't know make) an Invacom quad LNB and Pace 2600C1 receiver. I get 24/7 all channels except on rainy days. As I have recommended this set up to all my friends most of them have similar and we all get 24/7 reception. The box seems to have a large effect.
 

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Huevos said:
How big is the dish?
It is a 1.4mt dish, the so called "Portuguese" dish that is popular here in Spain, and it's mounted on a post that is in 150mm of concrete so it is never affected by the wind.
 

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sparkyinspain said:
It is a 1.4mt dish, the so called "Portuguese" dish that is popular here in Spain, and it's mounted on a post that is in 150mm of concrete so it is never affected by the wind.
Any BBC2???
 

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Some in this area use Gibertini 1.2m, which are higher quality.
Steel or aluminium? How would you rate them for signal strength compared to the Famaval 1.4m. Also how would you rate the Famaval 1.8m compared to Gibertini 1.5m for signal?
 

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I am in the CDS and I use a 1.3 meter dish(I was told and I don't know make) an Invacom quad LNB and Pace 2600C1 receiver. I get 24/7 all channels except on rainy days. As I have recommended this set up to all my friends most of them have similar and we all get 24/7 reception. The box seems to have a large effect.

Devonbrown

Thanks for your response, its great to hear from someone who is actually down here.

Ive tried to get the Pace 2600 but only have two Pace 420's.

I will look into the Invacom quad if I can find it near Gib!!!

As I mentioned earlier about the dish we all have the same ones from tarifa to Granada. the same 1.3 (ok 1.2m) dish

If I cant get an Invacom for less than €100 can someone please reconmend anything else!!!!!

Is someone using something else??? of the CDS!!!

thanks

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petert74 said:
If I cant get an Invacom for less than €100 can someone please reconmend anything else!!!!!
Is it 40mm or C120? Either way have a look here: _http://www.demon-multimedia.com/productos/productos.asp?ids=9"
 

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Huevos said:
Is it 40mm or C120? Either way have a look here: _http://www.demon-multimedia.com/productos/productos.asp?ids=9"

Apologies Huevos can you clarify the 40mm or c120 question. Do you mean how its help on to the satelite???

The televes is held in place by the neck.

Without sounding like an idiot, which one from your list are talking about/ would reconmend??

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Huevos said:
Steel or aluminium? How would you rate them for signal strength compared to the Famaval 1.4m. Also how would you rate the Famaval 1.8m compared to Gibertini 1.5m for signal?
A Gibertini 1.2m has almost the same performance as a Famaval 1.4m prime focus. (actual reflector size of Famaval is 1.33m x 1.33m) Gain figure for the Famaval is very slightly higher, you'd hardly notice.
Famaval also sell a '1.3m' offset dish which is identical to the Gibertini 1.2m in gain.
Famaval are also known as 'Portugese' and are sold by Tecatel under their own brand name. Both Gibertini and Famaval dishes are aluminium.
The Famaval 1.8m prime focus (1.79m x 1.79m) does have a higher gain than a 1.5m Gibertini as it has a much larger surface area. It is also known as a 'Portugese 1.9m' on the costas in Spain.
Famaval prime focus dishes should never be fitted with standard one- piece LNBs, C120 LNBs are essential.
Beware of the way dishes are sold in Spain & Portugal. Dealers and installers always exaggerate the dimensions.
 

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snap said:
The Famaval 1.8m prime focus (1.79m x 1.79m) does have a higher gain than a 1.5m Gibertini as it has a much larger surface area. It is also known as a 'Portugese 1.9m' on the costas in Spain.
I've just bought a Gibertini 1.5m and a QDF-031. Now I just need a feed horn. Starting to get exited.

By the way Gibertini do steel and Aluminium.
 

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Beware of the way dishes are sold in Spain & Portugal. Dealers and installers always exaggerate the dimensions.
although some of us dont! have a bit of fun sometimes when people ask for a 1.9 and i say to them that there is no such thing as a 1.9 - just a 1.8..

and being really picky the 2.4s are actually 2.3's!!!
 
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Yo despues de leeros he pedido un Invacom qdf-o31 quad y un feedhorn invacom.
No sabia si un masterchannel era compatible con el LNB.
Tengo un plato de 135cm creo que focus polar y un Pace 2600c1-
Veo el paquete kidsy entertaimente y sports.

Quiero conseguir veer LOs canales Disney.10862h 22000,5/6
Para mis niños y lo veo pixelado de 1800 a 2200.
Tampoco veo cbbcy bbc2 y bbc3.

1º Si me llega el Invacom y feedhorn se puede sustituir sin mas o hay que hacer una nueva sintonizacion del plato'?
2º Cuanto mejorare si ahiora tengo un invacom twin sin feedhorn'
3º Hasta donde puedo llegar viendo,bbc2,bbc3,cbebies?
4º Tengo que cambiar algo?
Gracias
lotraduzco por google y no se como quedara.

I've asked after reading a Invacom QDF-o31 an feedhorn and Invacom quad.
No one knew if it was compatible with masterchannel LNB.
I have a dish of 135cm I think that focus and a polar-Pace 2600c1
I see the package kidsy entertaimente and sports.

I get channels Disney.10862h veer 22000.5 / 6
For my children and I see 1800 to 2200 pixels.
I do not cbbcy BBC2 and bbc3.

1 If I get the Invacom feedhorn and can replace or is there more to make a new tuning of the dish?
2nd The mejorare if I have an Invacom twin ahiora without feedhorn '
3 As far as I can get watching, BBC2, bbc3, cbebies?
4th I have to change anything?
Thanks
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Hola Andrex,
Es muy importante que la guía de ondas corresponde exactamente con la antena parabólica que tienes. Si no, no va a funccionar bien. ¿Qué antena tienes (la marca)? ¿Es de foco primario o offset? Una foto nos ayudaría.

Its very important that the feedhorn corresponds exactly with the dish. If not it won't work properly. What dish do you have (the make)? Is it prime focus or offset? A photo might help us.
 

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I think you are saying you have a ChannelMaster dish. In this case, a ChannelMaster feedhorn is exactly compatible, as it is normally supplied with this dish by the manufacturer. The Invacom Quad QDF-031 is the best possible LNB to buy for your dish.
If you change over from your existing LNB you will not have to alter anything. The fittings supplied with the feedhorn fit the dish exactly in the right point of focus. You just have to rotate the LNB and feedhorn clockwise, looking at the dish, by 24 degrees. There is a scale on the feedhorn in 10 degree segments. Turn it so that the position between the second and third markings on the left are towards the top. This will give the correct turn, or'skew' for your location in Spain.
 
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GRacias a todos .
Creo que la parabolica es de foco primario ,, osea no le sale un brazo pra el LNb sino tres que se unen en el centro .
La marca no la pone ,tampoco en la factura.
Solo se que es de 135 cm.
Ahora con EL lNB twin invacom y sin feedhorn veo Disney channels de 19.00 a 20,30.
Gracias

Thank you all.
I think the primary focus is parabolic,, osea no one gets the LNB arm pra but three come together in the center.
The brand makes no, not in the bill.
Only that is 135 cm.
Now with the twin LNB Invacom feedhorn and Disney channels from 19.00 am to 20.30.
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I think the primary focus is parabolic
La guia de ondas de Channel Master es solo para antenas de tipo offset, no foco primario. Tu antena ya debe tener una guia de ondas que puedes usar con el LNB de Invacom.

The Channel Master feedhorn is only for offset dishes, not prime focus. Your dish must already have a feedhorn that you can use in conjunction with the Invacom LNB.
 
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