SES-14 VA241 January 2018

Channel Hopper

Suffering fools, so you don't have to.
Staff member
Joined
Jan 1, 2000
Messages
35,601
Reaction score
8,578
Points
113
Age
59
Website
www.sat-elite.uk
My Satellite Setup
A little less analogue, and a lot more crap.
My Location
UK
Update: overnight Arianespace press release


The launcher’s liftoff took place on January 25, 2018 at 7:20 pm. A few seconds after ignition of the upper stage, the second tracking station located in Natal, Brazil, did not acquire the launcher telemetry. This lack of telemetry lasted throughout the rest of powered flight. Subsequently, both satellites were confirmed separated, acquired and they are on orbit. SES-14 and Al Yah 3 are communicating with their respective control centers. Both missions are continuing.

Note they are very careful not to say that the satellites are in the correct orbits. As far as I can tell from a quick look at the spaceflight forums, the exact positions of the birds is currently not known so its quite possible the two birds are rather lower than intended
Duck!
 

adonis1

Specialist Contributor
Joined
Mar 2, 2008
Messages
1,575
Reaction score
1,532
Points
113
Age
67
My Satellite Setup
Gibertini dish 1.55 Χ 1.66 ( 100.5°E -45.0°W) ku lnb Inverto Black Ultra 0.2db - Ku band Circular Uni Inverto BLACK Pro 0.2db / / C-Band lnb Titanium wide band - Pauxis 13°- K Panorama 13°K
DR.HD F-15 - Openbox S11 HD - TM-5402 HD M3 & M4
My Location
Syros island - Central Aegean sea - Greece

Analoguesat

Administrator
Staff member
Joined
Jul 26, 2003
Messages
50,787
Reaction score
11,243
Points
113
Location
Scottish Borders
My Satellite Setup
TM 5402HD
Sky+ UK.
My Location
Scottish Borders
SES have confirmed SES14 is in good health & will make its final slot - a month later than expected

SES-14 in good health and on track despite launch anomaly



Press release details for posterity


SES-14 in good health and on track despite launch anomaly

Written on 26 Jan 2018

Following Ariane-5 launch anomaly, SES has successfully established connection with SES-14
Guiana Space Centre, Kourou, 26 January 2018 – Following the anomaly that occurred during the launch on an Ariane 5 rocket last night, SES announces that it has successfully established a telemetry and telecommand connection to its SES-14 spacecraft and is setting up a new orbit raising plan now. SES-14 would thus reach the geostationary orbit only four weeks later than originally planned. SES confirms that the spacecraft is in good health, all subsystems on board are nominal, and the satellite is expected to meet the designed life time.
SES-14 will be positioned at 47.5 degrees West to serve Latin America, the Caribbean, North America and the North Atlantic region with C- and Ku-band wide beam coverage and Ku-band high throughput spot beam coverage.
 

william-1

Super Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Jul 2, 2005
Messages
12,206
Reaction score
12,282
Points
113
Location
Epping Forest
My Satellite Setup
OP Gibertini 100 XP+ Inverto Black Ultra Lnb
Superior Dark Motor (160° max)
(50 east to 45 west)
Octagon SX88+Optima (A/B switch) Edision primo IP S2

Raven 88cm Mesh Dish + IBU Twin output
Stab100 H to H (120° max)
(53 east to 45 west)
Octagon SX88+ Ultra HD (A/B switch) Golden Interstar Alpha_X
My Location
Epping Forest Essex
There may be something of interest on the European Footprints when SES-14 starts

Satellite | SES
 

Attachments

  • high_SES-14_atlantic_ku_band_beam_M.jpg
    high_SES-14_atlantic_ku_band_beam_M.jpg
    244 KB · Views: 23

s-band

Specialist Contributor
Joined
Feb 7, 2016
Messages
1,188
Reaction score
1,846
Points
113
My Satellite Setup
1.5m IRTE PF, Octagon OSLO external Ref., TBS6983,
Various L, S, C, X & Ka bits. 1.2m S/X/Ku/Ka Prodelin on Az-El (being refurbished)
My Location
Essex
I guess that the NORAD 43174-7 on this list are SES-14 etc: Tracking data for new satellite launches (last 30 days launches) 26-01-2018 17:42:32 UTC Jens T. Satre www.satellite-calculations.com
and this one may be SES-14 Track 2018-012A 111.327 West and view detailed satellite position data 2018-01-26 17:42:37 UTC

Putting co-ordinates into their 170 hour predictions, it should be visible in UK tomorrow morning until mid-day ish. According to Satbeams the beacons will be on 12198H and 10953V. It gives Al Yah 3 beacons as 20198.5 and 20199.5 LHCP. However, are these the TT&C beacons in use at the moment?
 
Last edited:

william-1

Super Moderator
Staff member
Joined
Jul 2, 2005
Messages
12,206
Reaction score
12,282
Points
113
Location
Epping Forest
My Satellite Setup
OP Gibertini 100 XP+ Inverto Black Ultra Lnb
Superior Dark Motor (160° max)
(50 east to 45 west)
Octagon SX88+Optima (A/B switch) Edision primo IP S2

Raven 88cm Mesh Dish + IBU Twin output
Stab100 H to H (120° max)
(53 east to 45 west)
Octagon SX88+ Ultra HD (A/B switch) Golden Interstar Alpha_X
My Location
Epping Forest Essex
The GOLD project is a mission of opportunity and part of NASA's Explorer Program, designed to provide frequent, low-cost access to space for heliophysics and astrophysics missions with small to mid-sized spacecraft.

GOLD (Global-scale Observations of the Limb and Disk) - Satellite Missions - eoPortal Directory

The GOLD instrument is a dual channel imaging spectrograph, each capable of all measurements, with a mass of 37 kg, a power consumption of 72 W (average), a size of 40 x 30 x 70 cm, and a data rate of ~6 Mbit/s.
Focal length of telescope: 150 mm, entrance pupil size 30 mm x 30 mm.
 

solly

Specialist Contributor
Joined
Apr 18, 2004
Messages
6,414
Reaction score
3,659
Points
113
Age
53
My Location
Tel Aviv, Israel
43174/2018-012A: 232 x 43163 km x 20.64 deg.
43175/2018-012B: 232 x 43198 km x 20.64 deg.
43176/2018-012C: 169 x 42790 km x 21.01 deg.
43177/2018-012D: 235 x 43153 km x 20.64 deg.
 

s-band

Specialist Contributor
Joined
Feb 7, 2016
Messages
1,188
Reaction score
1,846
Points
113
My Satellite Setup
1.5m IRTE PF, Octagon OSLO external Ref., TBS6983,
Various L, S, C, X & Ka bits. 1.2m S/X/Ku/Ka Prodelin on Az-El (being refurbished)
My Location
Essex
It's alive :Y

This must be it as there can't be many other signals from this position in the sky:

SES14_11-15_27-1-18.jpg

The beacons appear to be circular polarisation and are quite strong on a 1.2m offset.

ses-14_10953c.gifses-14_12198c.gif
 
Last edited:

Analoguesat

Administrator
Staff member
Joined
Jul 26, 2003
Messages
50,787
Reaction score
11,243
Points
113
Location
Scottish Borders
My Satellite Setup
TM 5402HD
Sky+ UK.
My Location
Scottish Borders
The NASA spaceflight forum is interesting - according to the contributors on there the flight ended up at an inclination of 21 degrees instead of 3 degrees (the figures given by solly a couple of posts up) . No wonder they couldnt find the bloody things for ages!

Code:
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=42215.0

Page 11 onwards is the discussion of the launch itself.
 

Analoguesat

Administrator
Staff member
Joined
Jul 26, 2003
Messages
50,787
Reaction score
11,243
Points
113
Location
Scottish Borders
My Satellite Setup
TM 5402HD
Sky+ UK.
My Location
Scottish Borders
Desp[ite the core not being expected to survive the water landing SpaceX have confirmed that it did actually survive :D
 

s-band

Specialist Contributor
Joined
Feb 7, 2016
Messages
1,188
Reaction score
1,846
Points
113
My Satellite Setup
1.5m IRTE PF, Octagon OSLO external Ref., TBS6983,
Various L, S, C, X & Ka bits. 1.2m S/X/Ku/Ka Prodelin on Az-El (being refurbished)
My Location
Essex
Here's a plot of beacon spectrum & waterfall. It shows the doppler frequency reducing as the velocity towards the observer (me) was decreasing as SES-14 was on its way towards the horizon. The TLEs were a few days old (as they are on N2YO) so it was about 20 degrees away from where I thought it should be. At the end of the plot it was at 181 az, 22 elev.

ses-14_181az_22ele_1528-24-2-18_doppler.JPG
 
Last edited:

hvdh

Specialist Contributor
Joined
Dec 10, 2004
Messages
2,357
Reaction score
3,336
Points
113
Age
59
Website
gso-satellites.nl
My Satellite Setup
Dr.HD F16, TBS 5927, T-55, Laminas 120 cm
My Location
Oss, NL (5.5°E 51.8°N)
Al Yah 3 is make good progress, could be at 17.5°W IOT location in a few weeks.
Graph shows Latitude as function of Longitude, from 21 March to today. Drift 5°W per day.
AL_YAH_3_43174 LonLat.png
 

s-band

Specialist Contributor
Joined
Feb 7, 2016
Messages
1,188
Reaction score
1,846
Points
113
My Satellite Setup
1.5m IRTE PF, Octagon OSLO external Ref., TBS6983,
Various L, S, C, X & Ka bits. 1.2m S/X/Ku/Ka Prodelin on Az-El (being refurbished)
My Location
Essex
Al Yah 3 is make good progress, could be at 17.5°W IOT location in a few weeks.
Graph shows Latitude as function of Longitude, from 21 March to today. Drift 5°W per day.
Which TLEs are you using? Celestrack were a couple of months old. I switched to NASA which are recent.

ses-14_al-yah-3.jpg
 
Last edited:

hvdh

Specialist Contributor
Joined
Dec 10, 2004
Messages
2,357
Reaction score
3,336
Points
113
Age
59
Website
gso-satellites.nl
My Satellite Setup
Dr.HD F16, TBS 5927, T-55, Laminas 120 cm
My Location
Oss, NL (5.5°E 51.8°N)
The graph I posted comes from the STK software, that retrieves TLE's from AGI's own server.

Indeed 30 days after launch, CelesTrack TLE's disappear from "tle-new.txt", then often take a while before popping up again in "geo.txt".
An all-in TLE list is here: http://www.n2yo.com/tle2/3line.tle
I have my own reference table to extract only the GEO ones.
 

hvdh

Specialist Contributor
Joined
Dec 10, 2004
Messages
2,357
Reaction score
3,336
Points
113
Age
59
Website
gso-satellites.nl
My Satellite Setup
Dr.HD F16, TBS 5927, T-55, Laminas 120 cm
My Location
Oss, NL (5.5°E 51.8°N)
Al Yah 3 has arrived today at the final location: 20.1°W.
 

s-band

Specialist Contributor
Joined
Feb 7, 2016
Messages
1,188
Reaction score
1,846
Points
113
My Satellite Setup
1.5m IRTE PF, Octagon OSLO external Ref., TBS6983,
Various L, S, C, X & Ka bits. 1.2m S/X/Ku/Ka Prodelin on Az-El (being refurbished)
My Location
Essex
Al Yah 3 has arrived today at the final location: 20.1°W.
Both beacons are now active. 20.1985GHz and 20.1995GHz Circular. It's much easier to find now it stays still.
AlYah3_20.1985+20.1995Circ-.jpg
 
Last edited:

hvdh

Specialist Contributor
Joined
Dec 10, 2004
Messages
2,357
Reaction score
3,336
Points
113
Age
59
Website
gso-satellites.nl
My Satellite Setup
Dr.HD F16, TBS 5927, T-55, Laminas 120 cm
My Location
Oss, NL (5.5°E 51.8°N)
SES-14 has arrived at in-orbit test location 39.0°W.
 

hvdh

Specialist Contributor
Joined
Dec 10, 2004
Messages
2,357
Reaction score
3,336
Points
113
Age
59
Website
gso-satellites.nl
My Satellite Setup
Dr.HD F16, TBS 5927, T-55, Laminas 120 cm
My Location
Oss, NL (5.5°E 51.8°N)
According TLE's, SES-14 left 39.0°W already after a week, and should now be arriving near 47.5°W.
Probably some further testing will take place.
Half-year report of SES says SES-14 in-service will be in Q4 2018.
 

hvdh

Specialist Contributor
Joined
Dec 10, 2004
Messages
2,357
Reaction score
3,336
Points
113
Age
59
Website
gso-satellites.nl
My Satellite Setup
Dr.HD F16, TBS 5927, T-55, Laminas 120 cm
My Location
Oss, NL (5.5°E 51.8°N)
SES-14 Goes Operational to Serve the Americas
SES-14 is operational, and co-located with NSS-806 at 47.5°W.
Frequency plans are quite similar in C-band, so transfer of services may be happening without change of parameters.
 

hvdh

Specialist Contributor
Joined
Dec 10, 2004
Messages
2,357
Reaction score
3,336
Points
113
Age
59
Website
gso-satellites.nl
My Satellite Setup
Dr.HD F16, TBS 5927, T-55, Laminas 120 cm
My Location
Oss, NL (5.5°E 51.8°N)
NSS-806 had moved to 47.65°W for a few weeks, and now drifts West with 4° a day.
Since CoB and ephemeris are not updating any more, this may well be the end-of-life manoever: launch was over 20 years ago.
 
Top