Ses Want Frequency Of Eutelsat

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Satellite operator SES (Astra) intends October 2013 from the orbital position 28.5 ° E to use frequencies that are now competing uses satellite operator Eutelsat through satellites Eutelsat 28A (formerly Eurobird 1).
With the announcement of the successful launch of Ariane 5, telecommunications satellite Astra 2F satellite operator SES said that in 2005 signed a contract with Media Broadcast to use frequencies to 28.5 ° E, which now operates Eutelsat.
Eutelsat is the German portal DigitalFernsehen surprised declaration competing satellite operator SES (Astra) on his cast frequencies. Eutelsat 28A was delivered in 2001 and the latest information to serve until 2018. The right to use the position covers several international agreements.
Eutelsat intend to vacate the position 28.5 ° E but can not give details because of the ongoing arbitration before the International Chamber of Commerce.
Eutelsat in Europe from a position 28.5 ° E uses a frequency band from 11.2 to 11.7 and 12.5 to 12.75 GHz. Posting in the band 12.5 to 12.75 GHz operates the SES (Astra) but in Central Africa.
 

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Well this is a bit of a suprise but would explain why Eutelsat haven't announced any new satellites for this slot.
 

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From the news item on Astra 2F on Oct 1st:

It is the first of a three satellite investment programme (ASTRA 2E, 2F and 2G), that provides replacement and growth capacity for the UK and Ireland at the 28.2/28.5 degrees East neighbourhood. The new satellites in this neighbourhood will, as of October 2013, also use additional frequency spectrum for which the right of use was granted to SES by Media Broadcast pursuant to an agreement entered into in 2005.

_http://www.ses.com/4233325/news/2012/12794008
 

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the next year astra 2e will be launch
it take freuqncy 2f of eutelsat 28a that very weel
 

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I'm surprised no one else has commented on this, as it seems like pretty big news to me. I'm curious to know what this means for all the channels on Eutelsat 28A as I always assumed many where using Eutelsat as they where cheaper to rent than the Astra transponders. Will transmission costs go up as a result of this change and will we see some of the cheaper channels disappearing over the next few years?

From a personal point of view, it's a bit of a blow as it looks like the Eutelsat 28A signal will transmit further east than the new Astra 2 satellites. I was counting on some signals from Eutelsat even if I couldn't get Astra 2F/2E any more in Finland on a small dish - especially up in the far north. Now it looks like we'll end up with nothing from 28E on anything under 1.8m or bigger on the south coast.
 

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Well, 28A still has a few years left - I am surprised that they are not putting up a fight. But yes, the future isn't bright for 28E in Finland...
 

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Does this suggest SES will take the 12.5 - 12.75GHz slot of Eutelsat may vacate 28.5E? I can't see that considering the legal battles both operators had, plus it is healthy competition for SES!
 

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maybe ses astra waiting new astra 2e launch after replace tp from 2f to 28.5e
 

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Well, 28A still has a few years left - I am surprised that they are not putting up a fight. But yes, the future isn't bright for 28E in Finland...

Digitalfernesehen reports that they asked Eutelsat about the matter, and Eutelsat seemed surprised by the move of Astra. Eutelsat answered that they do not intent to leave 28.5E and Eutelsat 28A may be operational at 28.5E until 2018 (well, highly doubtful this one). Their problem is they don't seem to have plants for a real replacement for 28A so far, and moving Eutelsat W2M to 28.5E as a backup, won't help them either.

_http://www.digitalfernsehen.de/Eutelsat-erstaunt-ueber-SES-Planungen-fuer-28-5-Grad-Ost.92916.0.html
 

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Update at this link. Includes PDF of 1999 agreement press release.

-http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2012/10/16/eutelsat-seeks-arbitration-on-28-east-dispute/

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Still one year to go. Wouldn't Eutelsat have ordered a new bird for this position already if they were really confident about their claim?
 

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Still one year to go. Wouldn't Eutelsat have ordered a new bird for this position already if they were really confident about their claim?
you would think so, maybe they have ordered one for somewhere else and if they get proven right will make it come to 28e on short terms whilst they get another one built. but eurobird 1 is getting weaker i dnt think it has much mroe life thana few years if that hence the backup borught in
 

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The bizarre thing is that they say it won't make any difference to viewers! If SES win then they will have a monopoly at this orbital position. Will small channels who are currently customers of Eutelsat be able to afford to rent transponder space from SES? Will prices in general to rent transponders at the UK's DTH orbital position rocket (no pun intended) ?
 

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There was a report at advanced-television.com about this matter several days ago...

_http://advanced-television.com/2012/10/08/satellite-dispute-could-be-catastrophic-for-uk-broadcasters/

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There are further complications, and these concern those broadcasters who have firm contracts that currently end up on Eutelsat’s desk. While the contracts might be between an individual broadcaster and third-party players such as Arqiva, or BT, or others, everyone is clear as to the final supplier of capacity. Should Eutelsat lose its ‘rights’, then there might be some very happy lawyers ready to step in and argue their expensive cases.

This was certainly the view of one UK broadcaster, speaking at MIPCOM on the grounds of anonymity, saying: “This would be truly catastrophic,” he said, “and would completely alter everything that we understand. I am not at all sure where this could end up. Most of us are locked into long-term contracts. What would happen to them?”

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Still one year to go. Wouldn't Eutelsat have ordered a new bird for this position already if they were really confident about their claim?

Hotbird 10 could always be redeployed again..
 

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My thoughts exactly several days ago on a Dutch forum.
What is a good Hot Bird in its best years doing in a dumb place like 3 East?
 

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Update - press release from SES.

They want most of Eutels frequencies - 11450 -11700 & 12500 upwards! 2E & 2G to extend operations into the new (for them) frequency bands as well as replace the existing 2A/2B/1N frequencies:

The agreement will give SES the right to use, on its fleet, 500 MHz of bandwidth at this orbital position adjacent to SES’s 28.2ºE in the frequency bands 11.45 – 11.70 GHz and 12.50 – 12.75 GHz in downlink and 14.00-14.50 GHz in uplink. SES has procured and will launch and operate new satellites (ASTRA 2E and ASTRA 2G) at 28.2ºE/28.5ºE, along with the recently launched ASTRA 2F satellite, to replace SES’s existing fleet at 28.2ºE and to provide new capacity. The new satellites in this neighbourhood will use the additional frequency spectrum as of October 2013 for DTH satellite television services in the U.K. and Ireland and for other services inside and outside of Europe.

-http://www.ses.com/4233325/news/2012/13223671


This is going to get very messy very quickly.

Doesnt leave Eutel much capacity does it? =- Currently 12 tps between 11200 & 11450
 

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Update - press release from SES.

They want most of Eutels frequencies - 11450 -11700 & 12500 upwards! 2E & 2G to extend operations into the new (for them) frequency bands as well as replace the existing 2A/2B/1N frequencies:

The agreement will give SES the right to use, on its fleet, 500 MHz of bandwidth at this orbital position adjacent to SES’s 28.2ºE in the frequency bands 11.45 – 11.70 GHz and 12.50 – 12.75 GHz in downlink and 14.00-14.50 GHz in uplink. SES has procured and will launch and operate new satellites (ASTRA 2E and ASTRA 2G) at 28.2ºE/28.5ºE, along with the recently launched ASTRA 2F satellite, to replace SES’s existing fleet at 28.2ºE and to provide new capacity. The new satellites in this neighbourhood will use the additional frequency spectrum as of October 2013 for DTH satellite television services in the U.K. and Ireland and for other services inside and outside of Europe.

-http://www.ses.com/4233325/news/2012/13223671


This is going to get very messy very quickly.

Doesnt leave Eutel much capacity does it? =- Currently 12 tps between 11200 & 11450

Hmm SES have now removed this article!
 
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