TDT Spanish receiver in UK.

[Loquacious]

Hello everyone,

1. I would like to ask if it is possible to install this kind of TDT receiver here in UK as I've seen some people offering this kind of product.( TDT Zas HD - Televes )
2. I've been with Hotbird and Astra 19.2 for a long time in two separates dishes as in the top of my previous flat a had a paved roof and solid wall so was easier to install but know I live in a house with tile roof with a chimney.
3. I wonder if I can install a motorised dish as I would like to have more satellites choices. Which motorised dish do you recommend? I live in Shoreham by Sea, South West, facing South.
4. I don't know if Mesh dish would be better considering the breeze from the beach or it really doesn't matter?
5. Regarding to the motor , I think has to be solid , well built and reliable for this kind of weather.
6. Sorry for being so long in my tread
7. Regards to all.

 

[archive10]

Hello everyone,

1. I would like to ask if it is possible to install this kind of TDT receiver here in UK as I've seen some people offering this kind of product.( TDT Zas HD - Televes )

Sorry, but it won't work. The TDT is only for local terrestrial reception in Spain.
If 19.2 and 13 are not enough, you want a dish pointing at 30W for more Spanish channels.

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2. I've been with Hotbird and Astra 19.2 for a long time in two separates dishes as in the top of my previous flat a had a paved roof and solid wall so was easier to install but know I live in a house with tile roof with a chimney.
3. I wonder if I can install a motorised dish as I would like to have more satellites choices. Which motorised dish do you recommend? I live in Shoreham by Sea, South West, facing South.
4. I don't know if Mesh dish would be better considering the breeze from the beach or it really doesn't matter?
5. Regarding to the motor , I think has to be solid , well built and reliable for this kind of weather.
6. Sorry for being so long in my tread
7. Regards to all.

Motorised == many many more channels. You need a dish, a motor, and a suitable receiver.
These things rarely come in kits, and are mostly assembled from components by either the installer or an enthusiast.
For just watching more TV, get an 80-100 cm dish, and stick it on e.g. a Technomate or Motech 2600 motor.
Don't bother with mesh dishes. If corrosion is a worry (seaside), then get an aluminium dish.
Or even better, an SMC (plastic) one. They tend to be more expensive, though - you can get many years out of a steel or ali one.
Installation is fairly easy when you know how (some learning required), but if you're not interested in installation, get a friendly professional to set it up for you.
Place an ad in the "installer wanted" section of this forum, and you should be resonably to sure to find someone competent.
As for receiver choice - it's almost religion. I'm sure some of the esteemed other members on the forum will advise.

 

[mariust5]

1. No problem using that receiver in uk .
2. Installing a motorised dish on the chimney depends a lot on the chimney .
3. You can install motorised but you will also need a new receiver as the Televes might not be able to drive the motor .
4. 80 cm solid dish should do .
5. Stab motor should do nicely .
6. The more details , the better
7. Good luck .

 

[archive10]

Hello everyone,

1. I would like to ask if it is possible to install this kind of TDT receiver here in UK as I've seen some people offering this kind of product.( TDT Zas HD - Televes )

Perhaps it is timely to ask what you want to receive?
Usintg the TDT box in the UK you most likely can receive the UK FreeView channels.
But if you expect Spanish channels, then this won't cut the muster.
Please let us know which...

 

[Analoguesat]

You can get TDT-Sat receiver which work via Hispasat 30W, although they arent particularly cheap if bought using a third party. I know TV Corner France sell them, although the price is approaching €400. If you can find one in Spain there is no reason why you cant ship it back to Blighty.

 

[Loquacious]

Sorry, but it won't work. The TDT is only for local terrestrial reception in Spain.
If 19.2 and 13 are not enough, you want a dish pointing at 30W for more Spanish channels.

Motorised == many many more channels. You need a dish, a motor, and a suitable receiver.
These things rarely come in kits, and are mostly assembled from components by either the installer or an enthusiast.
For just watching more TV, get an 80-100 cm dish, and stick it on e.g. a Technomate or Motech 2600 motor.
Don't bother with mesh dishes. If corrosion is a worry (seaside), then get an aluminium dish.
Or even better, an SMC (plastic) one. They tend to be more expensive, though - you can get many years out of a steel or ali one.
Installation is fairly easy when you know how (some learning required), but if you're not interested in installation, get a friendly professional to set it up for you.
Place an ad in the "installer wanted" section of this forum, and you should be resonably to sure to find someone competent.
As for receiver choice - it's almost religion. I'm sure some of the esteemed other members on the forum will advise.

Thanks for your replying.
Seems to me that TDT here is at 30W satellite and will work, obviously some traders are having a bit of laugh putting the prices up for the new thing coming to UK.
As some few mentioned, I can get one in Spain and ship over by a relative.
Regarding to dish and the motor I will have a look. Many thanks for the information.
By the way, I have a Fortec HD Plus since 2010 and works perfectly.
Have a good night. Cheers

 

[archive10]

1. No problem using that receiver in uk .

Seems to me that TDT here is at 30W satellite and will work, obviously some traders are having a bit of laugh putting the prices up for the new thing coming to UK.
As some few mentioned, I can get one in Spain and ship over by a relative.

Just be be clear, TDT is Digital Terrestrial Television (aka DTT) in Spain.
You can receive the same channels via satellite from 30W, yes, and will need a box that decodes the signals.

The particular box you list (Televes TDT Zas HD) is a DTT receiver, and will not receive satellite signals.

The boxes for Sat reception have different tuner hardware, and somewhat different software.
Yes, cheapest is to get relatives to buy one and ship it to you.
It is not clear to me if the particular Televes variant has a locked down UI (like Freesat) that prevents you from using a motor.

 

[Adam792]

I believe one of the TDT SAT boxes is also branded (confusingly) Televes ZAS. As long as this is what you have it will work fine on 30°W.

I'm not sure what the signal is like on the South East coast, but I find an 80cm solid dish here in the South West Midlands to be OK most of the time. Unfortunately, the main commercial channels are all on 12548V (Antena 3, la Sexta, Cuatro, Telecinco, HD, etc) which is quite weak compared to the other frequencies. I find that I get break-up in moderate to heavy rain. I'm guessing being further South might make it more robust for you though.

Edit: also to note is that as far as I am aware, the TDT Sat receivers will not work with a motorised dish. They're intended as a 'last resort' for people in Spain who cannot receive terrestrial. They don't even tune in the standard free to air services available with a bog standard FTA box from 30°W as they're only designed to receive the specially encapsulated TDT feeds.

 

[Loquacious]

Just be be clear, TDT is Digital Terrestrial Television (aka DTT) in Spain.
You can receive the same channels via satellite from 30W, yes, and will need a box that decodes the signals.

The particular box you list (Televes TDT Zas HD) is a DTT receiver, and will not receive satellite signals.

The boxes for Sat reception have different tuner hardware, and somewhat different software.
Yes, cheapest is to get relatives to buy one and ship it to you.
It is not clear to me if the particular Televes variant has a locked down UI (like Freesat) that prevents you from using a motor.

Thanks for the replying.
I just wonder, if I have a my fortec Hd receiver on the motor and connection with the TDT and then when.I point to 30 west sat, I can connect to the TDt and it will work?
Another thing, why some people are selling this in UK if there is a doubt if works or not?
Thanks

 

[Loquacious]

I believe one of the TDT SAT boxes is also branded (confusingly) Televes ZAS. As long as this is what you have it will work fine on 30°W.

I'm not sure what the signal is like on the South East coast, but I find an 80cm solid dish here in the South West Midlands to be OK most of the time. Unfortunately, the main commercial channels are all on 12548V (Antena 3, la Sexta, Cuatro, Telecinco, HD, etc) which is quite weak compared to the other frequencies. I find that I get break-up in moderate to heavy rain. I'm guessing being further South might make it more robust for you though.

Edit: also to note is that as far as I am aware, the TDT Sat receivers will not work with a motorised dish. They're intended as a 'last resort' for people in Spain who cannot receive terrestrial. They don't even tune in the standard free to air services available with a bog standard FTA box from 30°W as they're only designed to receive the specially encapsulated TDT feeds.

Hello Adam, thanks for the information.
My idea is ; to have a motorised dish with my Fortec HAD plus that I've been using since 2010. I do want to receive the Astra 19.2 ( as my wife speaks German ) and also others satellites .
I wonder if I can connect the TDT when I point the dish at 30west and uses only for that . Install a box for both receiver.
Is it possible? Many thanks.

 

[Lazarus]

Use the Fortec Star to drive the dish to 30W, and connect the LNB In of the TDT box to the LNB Out of the Fortec Star. Put the Fortec Star into standby then turn on the TDT box.

 

[Lazarus]

Or, as before, use the Fortec Star as positioner but instead fit an A/B Cable Isolation Switch so that the cable from the LNB can be disconnected from the Fortec and connected to the TDT with the punch of a button.

 

[Loquacious]

Or, as before, use the Fortec Star as positioner but instead fit an A/B Cable Isolation Switch so that the cable from the LNB can be disconnected from the Fortec and connected to the TDT with the punch of a button.

 

[Loquacious]

Thanks for all the information.
I will definitely go for a motorised dish and A/B cable switch so now I need to make a decision of which motor and dish to go.
Could you guys give me some advice on it?
Also LNB , is there a difference for better connections/images?
Cables?
So a lot to ask! Sorry.
Many thanks.

 

[mariust5]

If you read post number 3 , all the info is there .

Lnb , any fairly new one should work , cable , satellite grade , foam insert .

I suggest if you go motorised to put a Twin Lnb on , get a twin cable in , one goes to drive the dish from the Fortec , the other straight in to Televes . No messing about .

 

[Tururu]

Seria bueno aclarar que los receptores de Televes ZAS solo se instalan en España, en zonas de sombra que no tienen señal de los repetidores terrestres de TDT, previa verificacion por instaladores autorizados/certificados.
Cada receptor se instala al usuario con su datos, nombre y DNI/simil pasaporte.
Se que algunas empresas encontraron un resquicio a este proceso y venden receptores a los barcos, pero como tal estos equipos no se pueden vender.
El equipo tiene un coste de 400€ con la instalacion de la antena, estan subvencionados y su coste real es cero (0) €uros.
Mas de una empresa intaladora de vez en cuando sale en las noticias por la "venta" de estos equipos al falsificar documentacion, aclarado esto, que cada uno saque las conclusiones que quiera sobre la legalidad del tema.

Nota: En otras empresas que venden equipos para TDT española por satelite, lo que venden son equipos "preparados" para ver los canales de Movistar+ donde estan tambien estos canales por satelite, asi el usuario no tiene que tener 2 mandos y cambiar de canal satelite/TDT y puede ver los canales sin mas, no son libres, son de pago, estan dentro del paquete basico de Movistar+.
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It would be nice to clarify that Televes ZAS receivers are only installed in Spain, in shadow areas that have no signal from terrestrial DTT repeaters, after verification by authorized/certified installers.
Each receiver is installed to the user with their data, name and ID/passport.
I know that some companies found a loophole to this process and sell receivers to the ships, but as such these equipment can not be sold.
The equipment has a cost of 400€ with the installation of the antenna, are subsidized and the actual cost is zero (0) €uros.
More of an intalator company occasionally comes out on the news for the "sale" of these equipment by falsifying documentation, clarified this, that each draw the conclusions you want on the legality of the subject.

Note: In other companies that sell equipment for Spanish DTT by satellite, what they sell are "ready" equipment to watch the channels of Movistar+ Where these channels are also by satellite, so the user does not have to have 2 controls and change of satellite channel/DTT and you can see the channels without more, they are not free they are paid, they are inside the basic package of Movistar+.

 

[archive10]

If you read post number 3 , all the info is there .

Lnb , any fairly new one should work , cable , satellite grade , foam insert .

I suggest if you go motorised to put a Twin Lnb on , get a twin cable in , one goes to drive the dish from the Fortec , the other straight in to Televes . No messing about .

Agree to that.
Use a dual or a quad, then run several cables from the LNB to the receivers. Connect motor to Fortec Star, and short cable to one LNB out. Use up to three other cables for feeding other receivers.
But as @Tururu points out, it may be hard to get a legal one unless you have family or friends in Spain who are i na position to sign up for the service.
It might therefore be easier to subscribe to Movistar...

 

[Loquacious]

Seria bueno aclarar que los receptores de Televes ZAS solo se instalan en España, en zonas de sombra que no tienen señal de los repetidores terrestres de TDT, previa verificacion por instaladores autorizados/certificados.
Cada receptor se instala al usuario con su datos, nombre y DNI/simil pasaporte.
Se que algunas empresas encontraron un resquicio a este proceso y venden receptores a los barcos, pero como tal estos equipos no se pueden vender.
El equipo tiene un coste de 400€ con la instalacion de la antena, estan subvencionados y su coste real es cero (0) €uros.
Mas de una empresa intaladora de vez en cuando sale en las noticias por la "venta" de estos equipos al falsificar documentacion, aclarado esto, que cada uno saque las conclusiones que quiera sobre la legalidad del tema.

Nota: En otras empresas que venden equipos para TDT española por satelite, lo que venden son equipos "preparados" para ver los canales de Movistar+ donde estan tambien estos canales por satelite, asi el usuario no tiene que tener 2 mandos y cambiar de canal satelite/TDT y puede ver los canales sin mas, no son libres, son de pago, estan dentro del paquete basico de Movistar+.
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It would be nice to clarify that Televes ZAS receivers are only installed in Spain, in shadow areas that have no signal from terrestrial DTT repeaters, after verification by authorized/certified installers.
Each receiver is installed to the user with their data, name and ID/passport.
I know that some companies found a loophole to this process and sell receivers to the ships, but as such these equipment can not be sold.
The equipment has a cost of 400€ with the installation of the antenna, are subsidized and the actual cost is zero (0) €uros.
More of an intalator company occasionally comes out on the news for the "sale" of these equipment by falsifying documentation, clarified this, that each draw the conclusions you want on the legality of the subject.

Note: In other companies that sell equipment for Spanish DTT by satellite, what they sell are "ready" equipment to watch the channels of Movistar+ Where these channels are also by satellite, so the user does not have to have 2 controls and change of satellite channel/DTT and you can see the channels without more, they are not free they are paid, they are inside the basic package of Movistar+.

Por que entonces pode se comprar este aparato em Amazon? Y por que algunos instaladores de aqui como The Satelite Shop UK, Satellite TV Europa?Creo que si es illegal no podrian hacer propaganda. Gracias por informar pq creyo que tu estas en Madri no?

Hello, Some people here in UK are trying to sell it. I have put in my previous message about it , and people are dubious about it. The Satellite Shop, Amazon, Satellite TV Europa are all advertising . Many thanks

 

[Analoguesat]

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[Loquacious]

I have found some motors on Amazon:
STAB HH 100 DiSeqC 2 and USALS , £79,00
Maxx Digital H-H Intelligent Diseqc motor DiSEqC 1.2 / 1.3 USALS - Metal gear wired £38.99
Technomate TM-2600 H-H DiSEqC Motor with Metal Gear , £59,95
Sorry about bombarding with novice questions, but I need some help to get my new adventure right as technology is not my cup of tea however ,I am a resilient and mind set person who wants to learn..
Many Thanks